50 Point Tier - Discuss

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So, if if others with less than 50 points are also as dedicated, and it's just a means of throwing away points, you'd have no problem with everyone with 16 points and up spending 50 points to lot on an item at the upper tier, even if it puts them in the negatives?

The only purpose putting in a 50-point tier would serve is to give the current top point leaders the ability to win an AF of their choice uncontested. I don't know why we're skipping around the real issue...

If this whole debate is really just to reward dedication, then I'd be happy to spend 50 points to lot THF armlets in an upper bracket the next time they drop, even if it means I will be in the red and have to attend 3 months of Dynamis without winning anything to lot anything else.
 
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I like the system for what it's intensions where.

If it had a such high tiers i would of been opposed to it.
 
What makes it more difficult to make an even close to perfect system is the fact that we could do 50 Xarc runs in a row and STILL not see a THF or PLD or RDM drop. Damn near everyone in the LS could be equally as dedicated and it would still not matter. Honestly I think a 50-point tier is like a too-desperate attempt to get those with a lot of points those highly desirable items because we've been screwed so many times on drops. If all the jobs had been dropping equally for us I really doubt this would be an issue right now.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, it's impossible to put a perfect system (lotting tiers) together on top of a grossly imperfect foundation (Dynamis). Because drops are sparse and uneven, it's not going to be possible to make everyone happy. Honestly we might as well just vote on it if the leaders think there's enough interest, rather than rehashing the same arguments over and over again. I see this turning into a flame-fest where people get their feelings hurt long before someone actually changes their mind about this or devises a perfect compromise.
 
"The problem is, requiring 25 weeks, half a YEAR, of straight attendance in order to even LOT Xarcabard relic is absolutely insane."
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OMG you don't NEED 50 points to be eligible to lot xarc relic. On the very rare occassion someone has 50 points, you'll have to pass and wait for the next one. You can STILL lot at 16pts+ if no one has 50 yet, which will be about 95% of the time. How can you not see this?

Tarnak is right, this system isn't going to GIVE away anything. The person spends 50 points, all earned, to lot it.

And NO, we're not talking about letting people spend 50 points and go into negative points. What kind of statement is that? Our argument is to EARN the 50 first and then spend it. Because anyone can spend 50, and then never come back, and that's just not how it's suppose to work.

Yes, I know this debate is going nowhere. I'm not changing anyone's mind, and no one's changing mine. If the leaders want to put up a vote, then so be it, although I know that I'm in the minority and won't win.

I just want to get my point across, when seemingly everyone else is against it.

BTW, 50 straight xarc runs with no rdm, thf, or pld dropping? Are you kidding me? You really think that? Even Square-Enix thinks that's messed up.
 
Well I meant 1 out of the 3, not that none of all 3 would drop. And it's really not -that- much of an exaggeration, our last run was the first time in my time playing (close to 20 Xarc runs) that I've seen any of those 3 drop.

And in theory yes, I like the idea of rewarding people who've been dedicated to a fault and received very little out of it. But in my mind there's too many reasons not to do this.
 
theirs as much good as their is bad. and onto the point of negative points that was SOAP only for obvious reasons as the ls wouldn't let them skip out w/o re earning it however in DX whose to force you to stay? if a soap member won in the negatives and never returned they have a lot to lose by it.

I hope my point is being seen clearly as i'm not here to change anyones minds. I am simply asking everyone to view both sides of this before you judge.

Yes everyone wants thf gloves that are thiefs. Yes I am aware my opinion is biased. The argument of "one thief won thats one less person next time" however is a load of crap and i think the fact i have gone without winning items long enough to be near 50points to show a lot of what i am after. Same as Garret going after paladin body. Majority of us wanted to see him with it. We at least some of us are willing to say "this piece is worth said ammount of time and once i have it it will be back in your point range" the only runs i have missed and not many know this was either due to lack of internet or recently being at my grandparents as my grandfather was recently diagnosed with cancer and only has at least 2 months left.

This had nothing to do with my AF but i do know once i have everything i want in dynamis i wont stop attending good mood bad mood hating dynamis hating ffxi i still show up. Those that know me know i strive my hardest to keep to my word. As much as i seem like a jerk and such i am a very helpful and nice person if you take the chance to know me. People misunderstand my humor at times.

My opinions are simple as its hard to get to 50+ points unless you have all af or dont want 100s(good gil so kinda dumb not to) and all that such unless your luck on lots is that terrible.
 
soap had negative points? worst they could do was get 0 points.

In regards to 50 point tiers, if it was brought in a lot of people would start saving then. then you will have more people in the 50 point tier for those AF2. which means competition between those people with 50 points. back to people missing out and gaining more points to 75+ etc.

bringing in a new tier won't fix it just make more people save and be back in the same boat some people are now in with having lots of points.

if you want to fix it, fix it so the same problem won't occur again.
 
if people are saving to 50 then they arent lotting other afs that others are now winning at cost or lower so it still evens its self out
 
dang... the last time I checked this thread.... you were only on page 8.

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Garret, you have some some prolific typers in DX. =Þ
 
Tarnak said:
if people are saving to 50 then they arent lotting other afs that others are now winning at cost or lower so it still evens its self out
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or people save points and wait for lv 60 2 points or freelot.

because thief af2 so so hot everyone wants it :P
 
Defiant said:
or people save points and wait for lv 60 2 points or freelot.

because thief af2 so so hot everyone wants it :P
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That's the single most important point that I'm trying to get accross. Eventually, probably by the end of the year, as the lotting system works now, a large portion of the member base will have 50 points. This needs to be understood. The system as it is now is not even remotely in equilibrium. As I said before, there is a 200 point excess introduced into the system every month. That's ok as the system is set up now, but it's not ok for a bidding system. It's not a matter of opinion, it's a fact of the way the system is designed.

If a 50-point lotting tier is introduced, my opinion is that members WILL pass on city pieces to save points. They already do it for the 16 point tier. And when we inevitably get to the point where every single Xarc relic that drops has a member with 50 points looking to lot it, we'll never see a new member join, because who will be willing to start from scratch then?

I do feel like I'm saying the same thing over and over again. I guess I'll leave it where it is and let whatever decisions need to be made be made.
 
BTW, 50 straight xarc runs with no rdm, thf, or pld dropping? Are you kidding me? You really think that? Even Square-Enix thinks that's messed up.
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Went nearly 2 years without a single PLD AF in Xarcabard.

Everyone, and I do mean everyone, please take a deep breath & calm down. Let's try to keep this a respectful debate. Everyone has a right to their opinion, even if it doesn't quite jive with your own.

Thanks,
~Sass out
 
/sigh

I’m tired of arguing with amateurish debaters, who only spout the same ole statement over and over, and back it up with baseless assumptions, and no relevant examples or insight.

I’m just going to sit back and have some fun killing demons today in Xarc.
 
Elysabeth said:
I’m tired of arguing with amateurish debaters, who only spout the same ole statement over and over, and back it up with baseless assumptions, and no relevant examples or insight.
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Sassafrass said:
Everyone, and I do mean everyone, please take a deep breath & calm down. Let's try to keep this a respectful debate. Everyone has a right to their opinion, even if it doesn't quite jive with your own.
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No one's trying to make you the bad guy.

People can get their points across without the insults :D
 
I probably would've thrown 50 pts at the helm tonight. lol

Not spending points on anything else in Xarc anytime soon. >.>
 
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