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Kitteh Paws
This topic is one of the most interesting things I can currently find. This skill really spikes my curiosity. I want to see if I can assign a flat percentage of this using what Hirushi and Valin have posted so far. Any additional numbers that you can provide will help to prove or disprove how this works. I'm not afraid to be wrong, I'm just looking to find something that can be corrected. If it's effectiveness is proven, I can see a very powerful role in the endgame for the COR as the sledge hammer used to strengthen enfeebles on HNMs.
Using these values below (from my personal Ballista testing) I'll see if I can get somewhere in the ballpark. Shoot this down and plug in a better number if you can see it, that's why I posted this.
I have a feeling that these provide a bolster effect somewhere in the 50% - 60% range. I'll use +55% until I can get a few more numbers. I'll use the values recorded in this thread.
Defense Down Test, Dia II
Actual Values
257 DEF - Base Defense
230 DEF - Defense after Dia II (10% DEF Down)
217 DEF - Defense after Dia II + Quick Draw
Math Explanation
257 DEF * 0.10 (Dia II @ 10%) = 25.7 DEF Down
257 DEF - 25.7 DEF Down = 231.3 DEF
25.7 DEF Down * 0.55 (+55% Enfeeble Bolster?) = 14.135 DEF Down
231.3 DEF - 14.135 DEF Down = 217.165 DEF
Attack Down Test, Bio II
Actual Values
371 ATT - Base Attack
333 ATT - Attack after Bio II (10% ATT Down)
314 ATT - Attack after Bio II + Quick Draw
Math Explanation
371 ATT * 0.10 (Bio II @ 10%) = 37.1 ATT Down
371 ATT - 37.1 ATT Down = 333.9 ATT
37.1 ATT * 0.55 (+55% Enfeeble Bolster?) = 20.405 ATT Down
333.9 ATT - 20.405 ATT Down = 313.495 ATT
+Slow Test, /ma Slow
Actual Values
0:45 Utsusemi: Ni recast - Base recast
0:53 Utsusemi: Ni recast - Recast after Slow (+18%)
0:58 Utsusemi: Ni recast - Recast after Slow + QuickDraw
Math Explanation
45 Sec * 0.18 (Slow @ 18%) = 8.1 Sec Addition
45 Sec + 8.1 Sec Addition = 53.1 Sec
8.1 Sec * 0.55 (+55% Enfeeble Bolster?) = 4.455 Sec Addition
53.1 Sec + 4.455 Sec Addition = 57.555 Sec
That may look kinda close and I'm digging the numbers above, but here's where I get shaken =/.
Using the data from this thread I'm going to use the DEF values using the Dia 1 numbers.
Values from this screenshot were used below
Defense Down Test, Dia
Actual Values
128 DEF - Base Defense
121 DEF - Defense after Dia (5% Defense Down)
115 DEF - Defense after Dia + Quick Draw
Math Explanation
128 DEF * 0.05 (Dia @ 5%) = 6.4 DEF Down
128 DEF - 6.4 DEF Down = 121.6 DEF
6.4 DEF * 0.55 (+55% Enfeeble Bolster?) = 3.52 DEF Down
121.6 DEF - 3.52 DEF Down = 118.08 DEF
This one is weird in that it does seem to work if I say that Quick Draw did a +100% Enfeeble Bolster.
+100% Differemce?
128 DEF - 6.4 DEF Down (Dia @ 5%) = 121.6 DEF
121.6 DEF - 6.4 DEF Down (Quick Draw @ +100% Dia) = 115.2 DEF
Questions.
1. Carnage Elegy + Slow + Quick Draw = What recast time (am I looking at our way of pegging a 1:30)? The values I have below could be totally off, I just need someone to kick it's ass off with some numbers. Can someone verify these numbers to be true or false and give genuine ones?
+Slow
45 Sec * 0.18 (Slow @ 18%) = 8.1 Sec Addition
45 Sec + 8.1 Sec Addition = 53.1 Sec (0:53)
+Carnage Elegy
53.1 Sec * 0.50 (Carnage Elegy @ 50%) = 26.55 Sec Addition
53.1 Sec + 26.55 Sec Addition = 79.65 Sec (1:09)
+Quick Draw
26.55 Sec * 0.55 (+55% Enfeeble Bolster) = 14.6025 Sec Addition
79.65 Sec + 14.6025 Sec Addition = 94.2525 Sec (1:34, but pegged @ +100% Slow --> 1:30?)
2. Acid Bolt DEF Down, is it effected by a Quick Draw + Wind Card? (or might it be Light Based?)
Verify that the effect is bolstered with Wind Card.
Obtain values from it's DEF Down effect if the enfeeble is bolstered.
Using these values below (from my personal Ballista testing) I'll see if I can get somewhere in the ballpark. Shoot this down and plug in a better number if you can see it, that's why I posted this.
Code:
[B][COLOR="Red"]Ballista Testing values[/COLOR][/B]
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[B]Defense Debuff Percentages[/B]
05.0% = Dia
10.0% = Dia II
12.5% = Acid Bolt
15.0% = Dia III (Byakko tested)
20.0% = Spirit Surge + Jump
[B]Attack Debuff Percentages [/B]
05.0% = Bio
10.0% = Bio II
12.5% = Demon Arrow
15.0% = Bio III (Aura Pot tested)
[B]Slow Debuff Percentages [/B]
18.0% = Hojo: Ni
18.0% - +22.0% = Slow (Effect increases with MND)
50.0% = Carnage Elegy
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I have a feeling that these provide a bolster effect somewhere in the 50% - 60% range. I'll use +55% until I can get a few more numbers. I'll use the values recorded in this thread.
Defense Down Test, Dia II
Actual Values
257 DEF - Base Defense
230 DEF - Defense after Dia II (10% DEF Down)
217 DEF - Defense after Dia II + Quick Draw
Math Explanation
257 DEF * 0.10 (Dia II @ 10%) = 25.7 DEF Down
257 DEF - 25.7 DEF Down = 231.3 DEF
25.7 DEF Down * 0.55 (+55% Enfeeble Bolster?) = 14.135 DEF Down
231.3 DEF - 14.135 DEF Down = 217.165 DEF
Attack Down Test, Bio II
Actual Values
371 ATT - Base Attack
333 ATT - Attack after Bio II (10% ATT Down)
314 ATT - Attack after Bio II + Quick Draw
Math Explanation
371 ATT * 0.10 (Bio II @ 10%) = 37.1 ATT Down
371 ATT - 37.1 ATT Down = 333.9 ATT
37.1 ATT * 0.55 (+55% Enfeeble Bolster?) = 20.405 ATT Down
333.9 ATT - 20.405 ATT Down = 313.495 ATT
+Slow Test, /ma Slow
Actual Values
0:45 Utsusemi: Ni recast - Base recast
0:53 Utsusemi: Ni recast - Recast after Slow (+18%)
0:58 Utsusemi: Ni recast - Recast after Slow + QuickDraw
Math Explanation
45 Sec * 0.18 (Slow @ 18%) = 8.1 Sec Addition
45 Sec + 8.1 Sec Addition = 53.1 Sec
8.1 Sec * 0.55 (+55% Enfeeble Bolster?) = 4.455 Sec Addition
53.1 Sec + 4.455 Sec Addition = 57.555 Sec
That may look kinda close and I'm digging the numbers above, but here's where I get shaken =/.
Using the data from this thread I'm going to use the DEF values using the Dia 1 numbers.
Values from this screenshot were used below
Defense Down Test, Dia
Actual Values
128 DEF - Base Defense
121 DEF - Defense after Dia (5% Defense Down)
115 DEF - Defense after Dia + Quick Draw
Math Explanation
128 DEF * 0.05 (Dia @ 5%) = 6.4 DEF Down
128 DEF - 6.4 DEF Down = 121.6 DEF
6.4 DEF * 0.55 (+55% Enfeeble Bolster?) = 3.52 DEF Down
121.6 DEF - 3.52 DEF Down = 118.08 DEF
This one is weird in that it does seem to work if I say that Quick Draw did a +100% Enfeeble Bolster.
+100% Differemce?
128 DEF - 6.4 DEF Down (Dia @ 5%) = 121.6 DEF
121.6 DEF - 6.4 DEF Down (Quick Draw @ +100% Dia) = 115.2 DEF
Questions.
1. Carnage Elegy + Slow + Quick Draw = What recast time (am I looking at our way of pegging a 1:30)? The values I have below could be totally off, I just need someone to kick it's ass off with some numbers. Can someone verify these numbers to be true or false and give genuine ones?
+Slow
45 Sec * 0.18 (Slow @ 18%) = 8.1 Sec Addition
45 Sec + 8.1 Sec Addition = 53.1 Sec (0:53)
+Carnage Elegy
53.1 Sec * 0.50 (Carnage Elegy @ 50%) = 26.55 Sec Addition
53.1 Sec + 26.55 Sec Addition = 79.65 Sec (1:09)
+Quick Draw
26.55 Sec * 0.55 (+55% Enfeeble Bolster) = 14.6025 Sec Addition
79.65 Sec + 14.6025 Sec Addition = 94.2525 Sec (1:34, but pegged @ +100% Slow --> 1:30?)
2. Acid Bolt DEF Down, is it effected by a Quick Draw + Wind Card? (or might it be Light Based?)
Verify that the effect is bolstered with Wind Card.
Obtain values from it's DEF Down effect if the enfeeble is bolstered.