Suggested Rule Change

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Elysabeth

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This was mentioned briefly in the other post, but I would like to see the return of declaring a specific job af2 to lot. Before the points system, you had to declare either to lot one af2, or 100's. After the points system, for some reason, it somehow changed to lotting any af2 that you can equip.

In my opinion, this gives a distinct advantage of those with numerous lv75 jobs, as they have a greater chance of winning something from a run. For instance, a person with 6 lv75 jobs has three times better chance than a person with only 2.

My suggestion is to have each player declare one or two af2's to lot during the run, but if an af2 goes down to the 2 point tier, anyone who can equip it, may lot if he/she so pleases.

Basically:
16, 12, 8, 4 points, you must have that job's af2 declared in your search comment.
2, 0 points, anyone who can equip the af2 may lot.

The obvious argument to this would be, "Why don't you just level more jobs to 75 then?" Well, there's a few reasons I can think of, off the top of my head. One, limited play time. Two, little or no desire to play another job. Three, all or majority of play time devoted to ls events.
I'm sure there are others, but my mind's a blank right now, heh.

Just fyi, I only have 2 jobs at 75, but I am leveling more jobs right now. Before, all my play time was devoted to crafting/farming, meriting, or ls events. And there was just no desire to play any other job.
I just like to see people who want the af2 win it, rather than someone who just lots, just to see if he/she can win.
 
I agree with this.
 
If the person comes to Dynamis as whatever job that is needed or if asked to change to something else they have leveled i don't see why they can't have a shot at lotting it.

With the point system if no one is lotting said af2 in Xarc following your rules till it is at 2 points where anyone can lot it if they have it leveled then this is leaving more points in the system which is what people seem to be complaining about at the moment in the other thread?
 
I'm not neccesarily opposed to this although I might prefer to allow 2 jobs in comment instead of just 1.

If some more people express interest I'll put this up for a vote.
 
Mother of God, yes please.

Though I'm with Garret, I wouldn't be opposed to being allowed to declare 2 AF. Several LS's do this anyways. Either way is infinitely more fair to those of us with only a couple jobs leveled, I'd be fine with 1 or 2.
 
doesn't affect me other then I may have been 5/5 by now if this had been the case before. lol
 
defiant said:
If the person comes to Dynamis as whatever job that is needed or if asked to change to something else they have leveled i don't see why they can't have a shot at lotting it.

With the point system if no one is lotting said af2 in Xarc following your rules till it is at 2 points where anyone can lot it if they have it leveled then this is leaving more points in the system which is what people seem to be complaining about at the moment in the other thread?
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I think you missed the entire point of this. No one is saying you can't lot the job you're not playing in the run. You'll be limited to the number of af2's you're allowed to lot, rather than all of them that you can equip. Many only have 2-3 jobs anyway, and many only WANT 1-2 af2's from the run, so I see no significant reason why this shouldn't be implemented.

The problem you bring up of too many points in the system, is a fault of the system itself, because af2 rarely drops, so therefore, points don't get depleted fast enough. (And something like a 50 point tier would actually help purge the system of points, if you want a possible solution to it).

The only other solution to the problem of "too many points in the system" is to create a hard points cap, like at 20 or 30. Once you reach it, you can't gain anymore points. But realistically, I don't see many people willing to agree to it.

Also, another suggestion for a minor rule change, how about not awarding a point for the run if he/she wins af2/100? Under the current system, players technically only spend 15, 7, 3, or 1 point for items instead of the actual point cost. I know it's trivial, but just something to think about.
 
Well i'm not sure if i class as one of those persons who has multiple jobs @ 75 (only 4 atm) but i think they deserve to lot whatever they have leveled.

Just my opinion =P

I didn't miss your point i understand it clearly. I just have a different opinion to it.

I'm not sure if DX picked up on the lot what you can wear from SOAP or not when they brought the point system in but i'm assuming that's where it came from.
 
But I kinda liked watching people with 8 lvl 75 jobs win something over someone with 1 lvl 75 job...... Comon you know AF2 is better when it sits in the mog house rather than actually getting used....

Ok ill stop being sarcastic... Um I thought DX was designed to REWARD those with more jobs..... I was leveling my jobs just because of this.... PLD at 61.... /sigh - next thing you know they will make a 50 point tier and ill have to get more points.... LOL!

Ahhh im full of jokes today... And Ely' are you a mind reader? Everything you post is exactly what im thinking.... Are you my long lost dynamis twin? Were we seperated at birth in bastok? Im thinking we were.... lol...

This is a good idea also - but you should make it for 2 jobs not just 1. Because many people have more than 1 75 job now....
Listen guys - Dynamis' *LUCK* or probability or W/E you wish to call it - YOUR CHANCES of winning something - especially things you really want - SUCKS... yes I said it - IT SUX - changes are you wont win it....

Dynamis is like the 'house' in Vegas.... your betting against the house when you play.... And 95% of the time... .the HOUSE WINS... Anything you can do to make our CHANCES better VRS the house Garret the better off I think well be. If some newb or someone with 8+ 75 jobs wants to cry about it..... We have a shoulder they can cry on - it belongs to me - yes I charge a clean up fee - but yes you can cry on my shoulder - dont worry ive cried myself on it many times - so its cool - its a good shoulder to cry on. I wont mind. :weeping01 joff

lol ok - ya so good idea - will it happen ? heh hmm :confused:
 
defiant said:
I didn't miss your point i understand it clearly.
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"If the person comes to Dynamis as whatever job that is needed or if asked to change to something else they have leveled i don't see why they can't have a shot at lotting it."

I dunno, then you probably just need to rephrase this, because that's how I interpreted the statement as. My bad.


Well, Spirn, I was raised in windurst by my tarutaru parents, I may actually be your long lost twin. >_>


And declaring two jobs is fine by me. I thought I said in my original post, "declaring one or two jobs..." lol
 
Pretty much like most i wanted to save my points for 2 xarc items, RDM & BLM hats.

MNK head i won at lv 60+ lot lol... WHM hands i have no interest in, SMN is kind of ok.. but i would wait for a lower point call to lot it. As a person with multiple jobs (more then 2) i don't want every AF2 piece that drops as a lot of it is shit.

Storing af2 is a ****ing pain and requires you to have 5 pieces also to use NPC to store it x_x. Generally i find people with multiple jobs don't want every piece because they don't have the room to hold it all x_x

Maybe you can have it that if a Af2 is not lotted at what it's level is then people who not have it set as one of the 2 items in /seacom can lot it and spend points on it when it hits 70+ 65+ 50+ etc.

For the first time ever i lotted over 50 on the run Egyptian won RDM AF2 so like most of you yes i've had terrible luck before and after point system but i'm still determined it will be mine one day :P Lotting over 50 was a big thing for me since i always lotted under that lol.
 
I might be misunderstanding you, Def, but very recently I believe we expressed to each other our mutual distate for people winning AF2 for jobs they seldom play. In line with that, I'm really surprised you would be opposed to this change.

As far as AF2 that might not be highly desirable is concerned, having something like a "4 points wearable" tier or something wouldn't be a bad idea at all, I was assuming there would be something like that. As a matter of fact, I would support something like the following:

16 > 16 wearable > 8 > 8 wearable, and so on. For example, say DRK head drops. Say we have several people with DRK leveled, but only 1 has it set as one of their 2 lotting jobs in comment. Said person has only 8 points, however. I'd say if the people with DRK leveled who have 16 points want to blow 16 points on that AF, they should be given priority over the person with it in comment with 8 points.

That point is highly debatable, of course, but in my opinion that not only gives incentive for people to come and be more likely to get their main job's AF, but also rewards those with more points.

Edit: Keep in mind, I could be wrong on this, but I'm thinking there are very few instances where someone attends a Dynamis and has more than 2 jobs of AF that they're really looking forward to getting. In most cases I don't think having to pick 2 jobs to lot is asking much of those with multiple jobs. i.e. if someone has RDM, BLM, and DRK leveled, they're almost certainly going to declare RDM and BLM in comment, and not have any issues with having to pass DRK if someone only has DRK leveled.
 
Maybe:

Declare 2 main lotting jobs: these jobs cost normal points for lotting

If you choose to lot any AF other than the declared jobs they would cost double points. Unless it fall below 4pts then it's anyone's game?
 
Yes ara 2 things i don't like are cherry picking zones and seeing people win AF2 for a job they hardly touch.

Yup hate it very much, but if they leveled it they deserve to lot it.
 
They're free to lot it if they want it badly enough to choose it as their job or one of 2 jobs to lot, far as I'm concerned that's enough. The way we're doing it now is grossly unfair to those of us without the time or desire to level multiple jobs.

I may be biased and you can look at it that way if you like, but if you honestly believe some people's play-styles make them deserving of having 2 to 3 times the chance of winning AF over someone with fewer jobs leveled..well..I'd have to say I vehemently disagree, lol.
 
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