Updated Lotting Rules

Nekio

Nekio

{Gilfinder}
Since there was no objection to my proposal re: lotting gear/coins/AF in Limbus, I'm going to go ahead and put those rules into effect.

1. One cycle includes 8 Apollyon zones, 6 Temenos zones,1 Proto-Ultima and 2 Proto-Omega fights. The cycle will follow an A > O > A > O > T > U format. Runs will be on Monday at 8:00EST and Thurs at 8:30EST sharp. Please gather 15 minutes in advance so we don't run late into Einherjar.

2. After each complete cycle (after each Proto-Ultima battle), every member attending will need to declare whether they are lotting an armor set, or AF/coins/items. This can be done via comment for simplicity. I'll assume you do not wish to change if I don't hear from you. You cannot change your declaration mid-cycle, it needs to happen before we start farming for the cycle in question. Once a cycle starts, lotting preference can not be changed until the next cycle.

3. ALL members will make a declaration of Homam/Nashira preference when they join runs for the first time, regardless of whether or not they have any intention of lotting those gear sets. This preference will be recorded, and can be changed after 3 months has elapsed, similar to how we do main/secondary in the general shell.

4. Coins will be distributed as follows: at the end of each run, all of the coins earned that night will be pooled, and 3 coins will be distributed to every member that attended, regardless of attendance/lotting. The remaining coins will be evenly distributed among those lotting AF/coins/items that meet the attendance requirements.

5. Homam and Nashira gear will not be subject to job priority, but those lotting must meet the attendance requirements and must be able to wear the piece at the time of lotting. An example lotting order would be: Gear mains > Gear wearable > Free lot. If you are a main lotter and have a winning lot on a drop, you may lot with the 'Gear wearable' group on the rest of the drops if you also need those.

6. Those lotting Homam or Nashira must attend 70% or more of the runs for the current cycle (the current cycle includes the two previous Proto battles) in order to lot gear that cycle. Proto fights will grant a bonus attendance point. If you are in attendance for a boss fight but there is no longer room in the alliance, you will be given credit for attending but will not recieve the bonus point, on a first-come-first-serve basis. Split zone runs count as one run, for the primary zone.

7. Those declaring coins/AF upgrades must have attended 30% or more of the runs from the previous cycle, including bosses (which grant a bonus attendance point). Those declaring AF/coins will have first priority on all AF upgrades that drop, assuming they have the correct job leveled. If the attendance requirement is not met, these members will still receive the base 3 coins at the end of the run with everyone else. If no one is lotting coins/AF, coins will be split evenly among all members and AF upgrades will be lottable by those with the correct job leveled. AF drops priority is: Coins/AF declared wearable > Wearable (74+) > Free.

8. It is expected that members will attend both Temenos and Apollyon zones. For now, there will be no requirement to maintain 50% attendance for both Temenos and Apollyon zones independently. This is due to my anticipation that we may not have the proper jobs/numbers to run certain zones on specific days, and as such I cannot put out a schedule of zones ahead of time. However, attendance will be recorded.

Please let me know ASAP if anyone has any concerns or suggestions on how to improve these rules so that we can both encourage attendance and keep things fair for the members. This is nowhere near set in stone, but we gotta start somewhere.
 
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I think 6months is way to long.

I think it works better in cycles. I.e. 1 cycle can be 2 omega and 1 ultima.

So after 2 cycles, people can do a declartion change.

If however you maintained the same delcartion for 3 cycles, you have priority on a peice.

6months, is just to long
 
I was planning on starting Limbus again once the price drops but, after looking at these rules, I have a problem with one in particular:

Homam and Nashira gear will not be subject to job priority, but those lotting must meet the attendance requirements and must be able to wear the piece at the time of lotting.
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That, in my opinion, is ridiculous. As was stated the last time this came up, some people have specifically chosen their main/secondary LS jobs for the purpose of Homam/Nashira. Furthermore, certain pieces of gear clearly benefit certain jobs over another. There is no reason why a BLM should be able to lot Nashira Gages, for example, over a SMN assuming they have the same attendance. Things like Nashira Manteel are open to anyone that can equip because they generally benefit all jobs. There are, on the other hand, several pieces of gear that definitely benefit some jobs much more than others.

To have Homam/Nashira be free lot to anyone with enough attendance, especially considering that those choosing to lot either set are spending upwards of 150k for a chance to see their gear is absolutely absurd.
 
Magos said:
I was planning on starting Limbus again once the price drops but, after looking at these rules, I have a problem with one in particular:

That, in my opinion, is ridiculous. As was stated the last time this came up, some people have specifically chosen their main/secondary LS jobs for the purpose of Homam/Nashira. Furthermore, certain pieces of gear clearly benefit certain jobs over another. There is no reason why a BLM should be able to lot Nashira Gages, for example, over a SMN assuming they have the same attendance. Things like Nashira Manteel are open to anyone that can equip because they generally benefit all jobs. There are, on the other hand, several pieces of gear that definitely benefit some jobs much more than others.

To have Homam/Nashira be free lot to anyone with enough attendance, especially considering that those choosing to lot either set are spending upwards of 150k for a chance to see their gear is absolutely absurd.
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Majority of people come September can change their main/secondary. To know if you are allowed to change come September check you name on the Member List and see when it opens for you.

People have the option to still pick Nashira/Homam so if they picked their combo (jobs) primary for Limbus then nothing has changed really.
 
defiant said:
Majority of people come September can change their main/secondary. To know if you are allowed to change come September check you name on the Member List and see when it opens for you.

People have the option to still pick Nashira/Homam so if they picked their combo (jobs) primary for Limbus then nothing has changed really.
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This is true so the issue of screwing people lotting-period is less of a problem. However, the primary argument still stands: certain pieces of Homam/Nashira offer considerable advantages to particular jobs and should, therefore, have a job priority on them. I can only speak from the Nashira perspective from my own personal experience but the same idea applies to certain pieces of Homam as well.
 
This isn't Ultima Limbus? >.>

And even if we have outside members, of course you can use the order. Ask outsiders to declare a job and lsit order when things drop.
 
Aelfinn said:
can't use ls job lotting priority when the group isnt 100% LS
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The group is intended to be LS-onry, but Arch has come to one run. In general, I'd like to man it with LS members solely, but if attendance doesn't permit that we'll have to allow outside help.

In terms of job priority, for every person I've talked to that wants it, there's one that doesn't. As Def said, main/sec's can be changed in a couple weeks for the vast majority of the members, so that shouldn't be as much an issue. I honestly don't care either way. TBH, pretty much everything I've done with the rules is to boost attendance while keeping things fair for everyone that attends, because without members who will reliably come to the runs, no one gets gear.

I'll be putting this to a vote with the results to be placed in effect for the first Ultima run at the end of this cycle. Lotting for the first Omega run will be without job priorities.
 
The way I read that rule was "If you come, and you can wear it, lot it. PLEASE COME."

So when I read that Magos was considering going but won't if one of his jobs doesn't get priority, I fucking LAUGHED. Typical.
 
I'm of the opinion that if you put the time in you should be rewarded.

I Believe opening up Nashira/Homam might actually improve attendance.
 
I don't think it matters really when we have less than 10 people showing up.
But as such, its like dynamis really... Your paying an entrance fee, your putting in the time. I don't care about job priority much because if someone deserved it, no one should bitch about it. As such, with as few people going as there is I would assume people would be more on the honor system.

With people having as many jobs @ 75 as they do, I can see them wanting / needing both. I.e. having a declaration change every 2-3 cycles would be ideal. Those who keep the same declartion after lets say after 3 declartions have priority on said item.
 
WELL JESUS HAROLD CHRIST IF ONLY MORE PEOPLE SHOWED UP FOR CRYIN OUT LOUD. IF MAGOS AND I DON'T GET OUR HOEMA'AMS AND NAWSCHEERA WE AINT A COMMIN YA HERD?
 
I herd.

P.S. After thinking it over, I think the 50% attendance requirement is too stiff (lol) for members looking to lot coins/AF only, as many of the people who can't make attendance for Homam/Nashira would really only be helping out for coins/upgrades, and I want to encourage them to come when they can. They main reason I put in such a high requirement originally was to make sure we didn't have people just pop on for high-coin runs, or for a specific AF upgrade only. I don't want to put in the 50%Tem/50%Apol rule if I can help it, because I can't guarantee we'll hit certain zones certain days. If I decreased the coin/AF attendance requirement to 30%, would anyone have a problem with that?
 
coins and AF should be a per limbus basis...

your paying 30k to enter, you get a split of the coins and lot af.
 
Sozo said:
coins and AF should be a per limbus basis...

your paying 30k to enter, you get a split of the coins and lot af.
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Everybody gets 3 coins per run to cover the cost (roughly) regardless of how many times they've come with us in the past. I'm referring to those who are coming despite having no interest/ability to lot Nashira/Homam.
 
That shouldnt be the case though.
Everyone pays, so everyone should be able to lot af and split total coins.

Nash/Homam gear is just a perk if you "need" it. People go to dynamis not guaranteed anything. Typically it's free, but we can make limbus free. Someone collects all coins / sell to pay for peoples entrance fee.

I don't understand why someone shouldn't be able to lot coins/af and nash/homam.

I have never heard of that honestly.... I'm use to everyone splitting coins at end, if you have the job @ 75, lot the af. Attendence / job @ Omega/Ultima.

Other wise you will have some people only needing lets say homam gear. They have all the peices they need from temenos.. but they want homam... so wont be able to get the AF peice from apoyllon because they arent allowed to lot? because they want to lot omega? Omega/Ultima is the end goal here, you are still helping your friends/peers get gear. No one should have to make a choice of getting coins/af or ultima/omega gear. Should be one in the same.
 
Sozo said:
That shouldnt be the case though.
Everyone pays, so everyone should be able to lot af and split total coins.

Nash/Homam gear is just a perk if you "need" it. People go to dynamis not guaranteed anything. Typically it's free, but we can make limbus free. Someone collects all coins / sell to pay for peoples entrance fee.

I don't understand why someone shouldn't be able to lot coins/af and nash/homam.

I have never heard of that honestly.... I'm use to everyone splitting coins at end, if you have the job @ 75, lot the af. Attendence / job @ Omega/Ultima.

Other wise you will have some people only needing lets say homam gear. They have all the peices they need from temenos.. but they want homam... so wont be able to get the AF peice from apoyllon because they arent allowed to lot? because they want to lot omega? Omega/Ultima is the end goal here, you are still helping your friends/peers get gear. No one should have to make a choice of getting coins/af or ultima/omega gear. Should be one in the same.
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It's basically an incentive to get people to go. Generally those lotting homam/nashira have that as their #1 priority so most won't care about af+1/coins, and there's the likely possibility of af+1 going free lot (at some point) anyway.

For instance, I'd really like some rdm AF+1 items but I'd much rather have homam hands/feet and nashira legs.

I think the reasoning is quite simple. You need an organized group to obtain homam/nashira. You need few people to get AF+1 items. Now, if AF+1 lotters get more coins and more chances at AF+1, that gives them more reason to help out rather than, lets say, solo'ing, duo'ing, trio'ing (etc) desired limbus zones for coins and af+1.

Yeah, people should want to help out regardless of the rules, but not everyone thinks that way.

I think Nekio has quite a solid system set up here.
 
Sozo said:
Nash/Homam gear is just a perk if you "need" it. People go to dynamis not guaranteed anything. Typically it's free, but we can make limbus free. Someone collects all coins / sell to pay for peoples entrance fee.
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I disagree. I think the people that are most dedicated to a Limbus shell want gear, not AF/coins. As Fiko said, if they wanted coins/AF, they'd solo/duo/trio Apollyon SE/NW and Tem E every week for more coins and less competition.

I am currently paying everyone's entrance fees by giving everyone in attendance 3 coins base. After that, what keeps them coming will be what they get to lot. People need to make a choice on what's most important to them: money, AF upgrades, or gear.

So far I've received lots of really positive feedback and it seems almost everyone is very content with the system as I've laid it out (with the exception of job priorities), so that's encouraging. The rules as they are will go into effect immediately after this cycle ends (after the Ultima battle). The decision of the job priority poll will be applied at the start of the next cycle as well. Until then, we will continue splitting coins evenly and AF upgrades will be lottable by those with that 75 job.
 
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