Several questions about Keeper and Seeker social structure, how do they remain stable??

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Hello first post here, I've been reading up on miqote lore and looking at how the NPCs actually live in-game. and it feels like the traditional structures of both clans are inherently fragile(?)

From what I currently know, Keepers have a massive male population bottleneck, and Seekers rely on a reproductive and leadership structure centered around a Nunh. My assumption is that in the modern era, with city-states offering total freedom, safety, and a booming economy, these traditional tribes should be actively cannibalizing themselves or going quietly extinct.

I have a few questions about this, but please keep in mind, I am asking this because I might just be entirely ignorant of some deeper lore somewhere in quests I haven't seen yet ;p


  1. How do Keeper tribes avoid a extinction when males are so rare? We know males have total autonomy to just leave for the city-states, get a job, and live a normal life. Honestly, wouldn't a lot of these male keepers just have basic common sense and realize they can have a way better quality of life in the city instead of wandering the woods as a "small dose" visitor as the females call them? But if they all just leave for a better life, do the isolated forest matriarchs just sit and wait helplessly for a willing male to wander into their territory? (or am i just ignorant of some cultural law that forces the males to spread their genes like, "YOU NEED TO HAVE SEX!") Is there any expectation (cultural or otherwise) that males return periodically, or is it mostly voluntary? What does Keeper society assume happens if a family simply doesn’t have consistent access to males over time?


  2. Why isn't there a massive "Tia Brain Drain" or something? If you're a young, strong Tia, you have every incentive to move to Limsa, Ul'dah or Gridania and become a rich pirate, and have total romantic freedom instead of fighting an old dude for a dusty desert oasis. But if all the ambitious Tias leave, doesn't that leave an old Nunh presiding over a village full of his own daughters? Is there any in lore mechanism that prevents a scenario where a long-standing Nunh remains in place simply because fewer challengers stay in the tribe? (unless I'm totally misunderstanding how they avoid incest.)


  3. If an aggressive, unlikable outsider overthrows a Nunh, are the female Seekers culturally forced to just submit to him? But also, what if a Tia is gay and just wants to hunt, but accidentally wins a defensive combat challenge then is he legally forced into the biological obligation of being a Nunh? (Again, this might just be me being ignorant of how strict their tribal laws actually are.)


  4. How do miqote raised in cities (without tribal upbringing) tend to view traditional Keeper/Seeker customs?? If you grew up in a modern city-state, do you look down on the forest/desert clans as primitive, backwards, or overly restrictive? (I'm assuming there's some NPC dialogue I completely missed about this.)

Sorry for the long post ><.. Would love to hear your thoughts and thanks for reading!

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