Points & Multiple Characters

Aura

Aura

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There seem to be some people with multiple characters. I've come up with the following situations where people bring multiple characters, and how I think they should be handled.

Case 1: Person who has multiple characters brings one of these characters, and wants points to apply to a character of their choosing.

I think this should be allowed, provided they can prove that the same human owns/plays both characters.

Example: Fodd (the person) wants to come to Dynamis as Soph. He should be able to say "I want this point to be applied to the character Fodder."

Case 2: Person who has multiple characters brings mulitple characters to Dynamis at the same time, and wants all points applied to one character.

I think this should be denied.

Case 3: Person who has multiple characters brings multiple characters to Dynamis at the same time, and wants 1 point applied to each character.

I think this should be allowed.




A generalized statement of the above 3 cases could be something like follows:

For people who come as a variety of characters or multiple characters at the same time, you can make a special request to have your points distributed however you want among your toons, with the restriction that each individual toon may never receive more than one point+Bonus points(e.g. Glacier clear, Xarc clear, etc) per Dynamis.
 
That is essentially my take on the matter, however, I do not want to encourage dual boxing either. There's a fine line between a few people dual boxing multiple toons & 1/2 the attendees in a given run dual boxing, the latter is sure to cause problems, the former is likely to be of some help.

That being said, if people fall into either category 1 or 3 they should notify myself or another sack present to let us know.

Category 2 would definitely be an abuse of the rules, and will not be allowed at all.
 
One situation which could arise under Category 3 is people having points on 2 characters which they both have inside a given run & then winning AF2 for both characters, or using one for something like a 100 bill point fund.

This type of situation arising makes me question whether it should be allowed at all actually. That would seem like an abuse of the system to me.

Perhaps it would be more balanced to simply allow people to attend as either of their toons but decide which one they want points going to for that run. But I am feeling a bit more on the fence about points over multiple characters because of the potential for abuse I just listed above.
 
Kalia said:
Case 3: Person who has multiple characters brings multiple characters to Dynamis at the same time, and wants 1 point applied to each character.

I think this should be allowed.
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This would be unfair to most... even to those who have a second character that they can dual-box.. take me for instance. I'm barely able to run one 50 person dynamis in a single window. Dual-boxing is totally out of the question unless I were to log on to one character on my PS2 and another on my PC.

And then there is also the fact that you can't play two characters at the same time as well as a single character you can pay 100% attention to.

I just don't think it's a good idea to encourage dual-boxing like that.
 
Fiko said:
This would be unfair to most... even to those who have a second character that they can dual-box.. take me for instance. I'm barely able to run one 50 person dynamis in a single window. Dual-boxing is totally out of the question unless I were to log on to one character on my PS2 and another on my PC.

And then there is also the fact that you can't play two characters at the same time as well as a single character you can pay 100% attention to.

I just don't think it's a good idea to encourage dual-boxing like that.
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You will never know who is dual-boxing and who is not. Then it becomes unfair to not award points to someone becuase you "think" they are dual-boxing.

I run 4 PC's at one time, 2 during Dynamis with no complications... If you don't have the skill to Dual-Box, you shouldn't. You for sure should not try and dual-box on same PC, that's just stupid. Or even PS2+PC, that's just stupid too.

I think you should leave dual-boxing alone, simply because you will never know for 100% sure and that will piss people off.

The rules stated by Kalia, I agree with.... otherwise.
 
If your performance is lacking in Dynamis you could always be asked to stop dual boxing. But some people do it quite effectively. It does take quite a bit of work though, but that's the very reason it should be allowed IMO. If their performance sucks, just tell them they won't be allowed to get points for both characters anymore, just like if someone's performance sucks while single boxing (e.g. the player is a noob), we can ask them not to come back to Dynamis anymore.

Some people do want AF for multiple characters though, and work hard to dual box two characters and do it effectively. While I certainly don't think both points should apply to the same character, why penalize them by not allowing points to apply to each character separately?
 
I'm currently just throwing out various situations that can arise from it.

For instance, if someone is dual boxing, should they be allowed to win multiple pieces of AF2, one for each of their toons, in the same run? Or should they be limited to deciding which toon they are actually 'lotting for' so to speak.

I just want people to be aware of the implications behind it, and potentially put in stipulations to make sure it isn't abused.

I realize some people dual box quite effectively, however. But there are pros & cons to both sides.
 
how about this:

Person A has 3 toons they bring to dynamis, dual..err.. 3-boxes effectively, each char gets a point for each run they go thru.... looks like 3 separate ppl... acts like 3 ppl... gets points like 3 ppl
(each toon has individual point total, usable by that toon only!)

Person B has 3 toons they bring... 3-boxes... and performs like shit, dc's, afks, etc... nonstop. they are told to bring one toon from now on, others get no points.

Person C has 3+ toons, knows they cannot effectively dualbox and doesnt attempt to. But will bring whichever toon is needed to the run, they declare one of them as their main char... points from their other ones get added to the main char's total.
***Only 1 point is being gained per dynamis this way due to no dual-boxing, just having multiple characters being used by same person.
***this situation is discussed with garret/sass/benny/aqua and is declared that one toon gets the points.


to me these situations seem fair
 
Performance is always going to be less with dual-boxing, there's no way around it. People who are good at it will be able to keep their performance level high enough that it won't cause problems, but it still won't be 100%. Not even if the jobs are both low-maintenance.

That said, I think the characters are the important thing here and not the fact that there's one person motivating them. If they're both doing a good job, both characters should get points. I also think both should be able to lot AF with their points. 100s seem a little trickier to me because they can be traded between characters (unlike AF), but I'm not sure these cases can be separated. Unless someone has a good idea to the contrary, I think both characters should be able to lot as if they were individuals.

The one thing I don't want to see happen is for multiple characters and/or dual-boxing to give one character an advantage for lotting that they would not otherwise have. That's the real danger I see with any form of point trading. And unfortunately, even the easy case Kalia mentioned opens up this possibility (case 1: multiple characters but no dual-boxing).

Say I have a character Vardatwo (*shudder*) that I bring to Soap runs, and I want the point to go to Varda. On the same day, Varda goes on a DX run and gets a point for herself. I'm doing enough effort in the two runs to justify having two total points awarded, but both of them going to Varda means she'd be able to outlot everybody. If this had been going since day 1, Varda would have had 8 points before last Sunday's run, when no single character could have earned more than 4. I don't think that should be allowed. It's unfair to everyone else.

So I'd say that if you want to do a run on one character and give the point to a second character, that's ok as long as the second character doesn't get any other points for that day. Vardatwo getting a point on Varda's behalf is ok. Varda getting Vardatwo's point *and* another point for her own run shouldn't happen.
 
Perhaps a stipulation should be added that only one of their toons can be ever used to lot 100's.

This effectively means they are working towards various AF2 sets with their characters, but does not let them build up multiple point tallies to be used for 100's.

Does that seem like a reasonable stipulation?
 
Garret said:
Perhaps a stipulation should be added that only one of their toons can be ever used to lot 100's.

This effectively means they are working towards various AF2 sets with their characters, but does not let them build up multiple point tallies to be used for 100's.

Does that seem like a reasonable stipulation?
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Gonna be hard to enforce that as not everyone who dual boxes is going to admit it.
 
Having run DX for quite a while now there really aren't that many who do, and at one time or another I've had a decent idea of who is somewhat linked to who.

While a bit difficult to enforce there really aren't that many people who do, even if you include the small amount who do it without telling.
 
i only dual boxed once myself and that was for a DF run where we need more rdm and i had him in the blm party with me.

it's possible to do depending on the person and their experience with it i guess.

the example varda gave shouldn't be allowed though. you can't be efficent(sp) if you are in 2 different dynamis zones imo /shrug
 
defiant said:
i only dual boxed once myself and that was for a DF run where we need more rdm and i had him in the blm party with me.

it's possible to do depending on the person and their experience with it i guess.

the example varda gave shouldn't be allowed though. you can't be efficent(sp) if you are in 2 different dynamis zones imo /shrug
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I am not good a dual boxing Dynamis in 2 different zones, but I am pretty good if both are in the same zone and in the same alliance. Which is what I prefer in the event that I do dual box. In my case I have macro palletes set up specifically for this, I don't even look at the second screen most of the time and just pound macros on two different keyboards. I don't split across two concurrent Dynamis runs unless I'm needed two for one reason or another.

Aang, the crazy bastage, plays up to 4 characters sometimes. I dunno how he does it, but he nin tanks, main heals (to include haste on all melee, stona, paralyna, poisona, etc. in a very timely fashion), and sings brd songs. I even caught him doing this with 3 characters while I was dual boxing and I did a search for him on Aang and he's main healing a freakin merit PT in Caedarva as well. A lot of it is macros, but he does well playing two toons in two different zones where I do not. I guess that's my rambling point.
 
Well, my example was more about points from 2 characters going to just 1 of them, not about dual-boxing in multiple zones. If someone can pull that off, more power to them (and looking at point totals, it seems like this is being done). I just don't want one character gaining points at double the rate of other characters.

Earning a point for another of your characters seems fine, as long as the character isn't getting more than one point per "dynamis day" (well, plus bonus points).
 
oh sorry varda>< but word fodder.
 
A player who has multiple characters, all who can go to dynamis, going to separate dynamis, and combining points to lot on one character, doesn't seem fair to me.

You can get points twice as fast as people who don't have multiple accounts to get the af for your 'main' character or whatever your preference. You can level mules to 65+ just get get extra points for the character you like. Yes doubling up on points depends upon your acceptance into soap in that case, but still... it's a bit much for one character to get points twice as fast as the majority of dynamis attendees.

Any limits on dual boxing assumes someone would admit it, or get caught. Neither of which could be reliably counted upon, so why bother? If someone sucks, dual boxing or no, ask them to leave. Otherwise characters have separate totals, cause we don't know. If someone is blatantly using us, sending in a mule to lot money, ask them to leave too.

Making rules policy is often an invitation for someone to find new ways to exploit them. So just keep it fluid and loose. Let the leaders judgement suffice, someone misbehaves, they don't come back. Creating rules that allow others to take advantage of us and quote the rules in support of themselves, however, just lowers morale, fills threads full of arguments, and makes them feel cleverer than the rest of us for thinking of ways to use the rules to their advantage.
 
Mane said:
A player who has multiple characters, all who can go to dynamis, going to separate dynamis, and combining points to lot on one character, doesn't seem fair to me.
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That's exactly why we don't allow this to happen. People with 2 or more characters can earn points for those characters individually. Or they can choose one character which will earn the normal amount of points for One player, no matter how many they might have in whatever Dynamis zone.

Fodder(Sophiel)
Bootstraps(Ashmus)
Elysabeth(Zexxan)

These people would only earn 1 point for a dynamis day for their main character, no matter which character happened to be in dynamis.
 
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