Hello everyone! With Mogtomes back we're going to see a lot more people doing Ocean Fishing over the next four weeks, and as such, I wanted to do a post on some tips, tricks, and basic etiquette for going on the boats so you can get your tomes easily and help others get theirs too!
Getting Started with Ocean Fishing
First off - if you're new to ocean fishing, I have a guide on how to get started. Unlock it, grab some bait at the nearby merchant and then queue for the boat when it's available. Queuing is open for 15 minutes every 2 hours, and as long as you are in queue you will ALWAYS get onto the boat no later than 15 minutes after the hour! (SO ALWAYS WAIT!) Each boat is about 25ish minutes long, if you want to plan accordingly.
If you want to know what voyages are coming up (or when the next one is) I highly recommend oceanfishing.boats by Tyo'to Tayuun. This resource is the most up to date (sorry, Lulu's and Zeke's spreadsheets are way out of date now!) and constantly updated resource for Ocean Fishing. You'll find guides for points, achievement runs, etc. You can also see his point scoring guide on TC Guides as well, created by the same person. (Tyo'to is very, very knowledgeable with Ocean Fishing.)
If you have questions, or want to form a party of people from your region to do achievement boats or point runs - consider checking out the Ocean Fishing and DC channels on the Fishcord (aka Fisherman's Horizon, the FFXIV fishing discord).
Now onto some more tips and tricks...
Sitting is bad (and a point loss)
I know you want to sit down and fish while on your cute little stool, but sitting down is actually a point loss! The animation of sitting back down locks you out of doing anything until it's complete! And while the sitting animation is only about 1 second long, in a spectral current (where all the points are), that adds up when you're sitting and standing for every fish you catch. Math has been done and there's an estimated ~20% point loss due to sitting - so if you're going for points... stand up! I discuss this a little more and give some examples of it in this video.
I do want to clarify that this is strongly an issue during spectral currents as that is where all the points are (on both Indigo and ruby routes). If you want to sit outside the spectral current you can, but then you'll need to stand up for the spec. Up to you if you want to do that or not, sitting doesn't hurt any other players except yourself, really.
This is also why it's not recommend to use Release or Release list while ocean fishing, as the animation of releasing the fish adds time to each catch and leads to less points overall. (Actually, don't use Release at all, anywhere, in Ocean Fishing because it's bad even outside the current!)
Struggling with points? Try the Ruby Route!
If you find yourself struggling or overwhelmed with all the fishing stuff for Indigo Route stops, try the Ruby Route. The Ruby Route's may not have as high of a point ceiling (~30-40k range) as the Indigo Route (~20-55k), but the difference in points between the 'good' and 'bad' point fish is much, much, MUCH smaller - meaning that it's much more consistent to get the 8k required points for the max amount of Mogtomes.
I strongly recommend doing the Ruby Route if you struggle on the Indigo Route for points. Tyo'to Tayuun has some great guides for both indigo and ruby routes, and one for those who just want to use Patience (also great for beginners and lazy folks)
AFK'ing is Bad
Do NOT AFK ON AN OCEAN FISHING BOAT. Even if you got all the points you want, or I know you want to GPose, but AFKing while on an ocean fishing boat is, technically by definition, griefing. This is because the chance of a spectral current triggering off a spectral fish catch scales with the number of people on the boat and assumes that everyone is fishing. If you are not fishing, then you are actively ruining the other folks experience by making it less likely for a spectral current to spawn, which means everyone else's scores will be lower, and they'll get less points, experience, and scrips.
If you are AFK'ing due to disconnection that's one thing, but standing around because the fish you need is in another zone, or doing GPoses should be done in groups which go onto (what the community calls) "private boats:" preformed parties which queue late and usually in languages that aren't dominant for their regions (so NA would queue for French, German, or Japanese language queues, not English). Again, check out the fishcord for making premade boats for specific purposes like this.
On top of that all, in order to get a max Mogtomes from Ocean Fishing (or even a minimum amount) you need to fish and reach at least 2k points (for 5) or 8k (for 10 mogtomes). You should always be fishing and not rely on the bonuses at the end (because they are also tied to the amount of fish everyone catches!). If you aren't fishing, you are actively hurting everyone's chances at getting points, mogtomes, experience, and scrip.
Other common misconceptions and questions
* Dolphins and Gull events can not be summoned or made to stay, or otherwise influenced by anything. Using release or chum does NOT make them more likely to appear, nor does it make them more likely to stay...
* You do not need to be in a premade party for bonuses! The party you get assigned to when you queue for the boat is the party for the bonus calculations. Premade parties are usually only made for achievement hunts, like the "What did <fish> do to you?" achievements, and those are usually made via PF or in a community like an FC or the Fishcord.
* Spectral baits really do help
You may see someone call out a bait at the start of a zone (I see this mostly on NA servers, EU, OCE, and JP not so much). This is usually bait is not required to catch the spectral fish, but it is recommended - as it's the bait the spectral fish is most likely to bite on. If you have other voyage missions that you might want to use other bait for - do so, but check to make sure you won't won't be able to complete the mission better/easier in the spectral current. Getting a spectral current is very important for almost everyone and so focusing on it as a group can be very beneficial. Don't fret though if you don't have the bait (you can buy it on the boat) or you're just running with a Versatile Lure because you couldn't buy the bait since you're new or out of gil. But if you can, using the ideal bait helps a lot!
That should be enough for now - I'll update this as I see new things come up. If you have questions, please ask!
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Getting Started with Ocean Fishing
First off - if you're new to ocean fishing, I have a guide on how to get started. Unlock it, grab some bait at the nearby merchant and then queue for the boat when it's available. Queuing is open for 15 minutes every 2 hours, and as long as you are in queue you will ALWAYS get onto the boat no later than 15 minutes after the hour! (SO ALWAYS WAIT!) Each boat is about 25ish minutes long, if you want to plan accordingly.
If you want to know what voyages are coming up (or when the next one is) I highly recommend oceanfishing.boats by Tyo'to Tayuun. This resource is the most up to date (sorry, Lulu's and Zeke's spreadsheets are way out of date now!) and constantly updated resource for Ocean Fishing. You'll find guides for points, achievement runs, etc. You can also see his point scoring guide on TC Guides as well, created by the same person. (Tyo'to is very, very knowledgeable with Ocean Fishing.)
If you have questions, or want to form a party of people from your region to do achievement boats or point runs - consider checking out the Ocean Fishing and DC channels on the Fishcord (aka Fisherman's Horizon, the FFXIV fishing discord).
Now onto some more tips and tricks...
Sitting is bad (and a point loss)
I know you want to sit down and fish while on your cute little stool, but sitting down is actually a point loss! The animation of sitting back down locks you out of doing anything until it's complete! And while the sitting animation is only about 1 second long, in a spectral current (where all the points are), that adds up when you're sitting and standing for every fish you catch. Math has been done and there's an estimated ~20% point loss due to sitting - so if you're going for points... stand up! I discuss this a little more and give some examples of it in this video.
I do want to clarify that this is strongly an issue during spectral currents as that is where all the points are (on both Indigo and ruby routes). If you want to sit outside the spectral current you can, but then you'll need to stand up for the spec. Up to you if you want to do that or not, sitting doesn't hurt any other players except yourself, really.
This is also why it's not recommend to use Release or Release list while ocean fishing, as the animation of releasing the fish adds time to each catch and leads to less points overall. (Actually, don't use Release at all, anywhere, in Ocean Fishing because it's bad even outside the current!)
Struggling with points? Try the Ruby Route!
If you find yourself struggling or overwhelmed with all the fishing stuff for Indigo Route stops, try the Ruby Route. The Ruby Route's may not have as high of a point ceiling (~30-40k range) as the Indigo Route (~20-55k), but the difference in points between the 'good' and 'bad' point fish is much, much, MUCH smaller - meaning that it's much more consistent to get the 8k required points for the max amount of Mogtomes.
I strongly recommend doing the Ruby Route if you struggle on the Indigo Route for points. Tyo'to Tayuun has some great guides for both indigo and ruby routes, and one for those who just want to use Patience (also great for beginners and lazy folks)
AFK'ing is Bad
Do NOT AFK ON AN OCEAN FISHING BOAT. Even if you got all the points you want, or I know you want to GPose, but AFKing while on an ocean fishing boat is, technically by definition, griefing. This is because the chance of a spectral current triggering off a spectral fish catch scales with the number of people on the boat and assumes that everyone is fishing. If you are not fishing, then you are actively ruining the other folks experience by making it less likely for a spectral current to spawn, which means everyone else's scores will be lower, and they'll get less points, experience, and scrips.
If you are AFK'ing due to disconnection that's one thing, but standing around because the fish you need is in another zone, or doing GPoses should be done in groups which go onto (what the community calls) "private boats:" preformed parties which queue late and usually in languages that aren't dominant for their regions (so NA would queue for French, German, or Japanese language queues, not English). Again, check out the fishcord for making premade boats for specific purposes like this.
On top of that all, in order to get a max Mogtomes from Ocean Fishing (or even a minimum amount) you need to fish and reach at least 2k points (for 5) or 8k (for 10 mogtomes). You should always be fishing and not rely on the bonuses at the end (because they are also tied to the amount of fish everyone catches!). If you aren't fishing, you are actively hurting everyone's chances at getting points, mogtomes, experience, and scrip.
Other common misconceptions and questions
* Dolphins and Gull events can not be summoned or made to stay, or otherwise influenced by anything. Using release or chum does NOT make them more likely to appear, nor does it make them more likely to stay...
* You do not need to be in a premade party for bonuses! The party you get assigned to when you queue for the boat is the party for the bonus calculations. Premade parties are usually only made for achievement hunts, like the "What did <fish> do to you?" achievements, and those are usually made via PF or in a community like an FC or the Fishcord.
* Spectral baits really do help
You may see someone call out a bait at the start of a zone (I see this mostly on NA servers, EU, OCE, and JP not so much). This is usually bait is not required to catch the spectral fish, but it is recommended - as it's the bait the spectral fish is most likely to bite on. If you have other voyage missions that you might want to use other bait for - do so, but check to make sure you won't won't be able to complete the mission better/easier in the spectral current. Getting a spectral current is very important for almost everyone and so focusing on it as a group can be very beneficial. Don't fret though if you don't have the bait (you can buy it on the boat) or you're just running with a Versatile Lure because you couldn't buy the bait since you're new or out of gil. But if you can, using the ideal bait helps a lot!
That should be enough for now - I'll update this as I see new things come up. If you have questions, please ask!
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