Zerg Materials Fund

[yelsaewnor]

It has come to my attention that TP wings are not being used by all melees, even though I post reminders in the /lsmes, post reminders on the site and have them avaliable in my bazaar. I mentioned a few times before we started the zerg that I had them in bazaar.

It would seem, then, that they are not being used because they are too expensive and not because people are not aware that they need them.

It is very important that every melee use a TP wing on xarc clears, as I'm sure everyone saw today. Only 4 TP wings were used by the 11 melees that we had. 7 more weaponskills should easily have pushed DL down.

So I have decided to look at possible methods of making certain that each melee has a TP wing with them when we zerg. As I see it there are a few options:

1. Use wootz ores

2. Use money from sold currency

3. Organize some sort of feather farming

4. Charge an entry fee for Xarc, which is the cost of zerg items split between all members


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1. In my opinion, option 1 would work the best. All gil from Bastok wootz ores could be set aside to be used for buying zerg items for xarc clears. Also it should be noted that there will be 2 more Xarcs before the next Bastok. So this would take a while to start up.


2. One way to implement option 2 would be to take 20k or so from each run that we end up selling currency from, and set it aside to be used for buying zerg items. I think it would only work if it was spread out as 300+ is not a guarentee.

3. I think that getting attendance for another event would be difficult. Don't think this is our best option.

4. The more I think about this idea the more I like it. It would require that someone front the gil for all of the items. But it would link the cost directly to the event and split it evenly between the members who would be there. Downside to this is that, like with CoP runs, entry fees cause a slower entry.


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Please comment on these ideas, and post any others you may have.

 

[Redd]

I like the idea of taking a flat 200k from the next runs and the saving that in a bank to purchase icarius wings and poison potions. It seems harsh to money lotters, but it's vital that we make sure people have TP wings/poison potions especially when going with so few. Losing to SL when we could have easily won is on the verge of inexcusable.

 

[Eticket]

I like #4.

Also, I actually ran out and grabbed a wing last night and then totally forgot to use it. I'm sort of a 'special' case in that regard though as I'm sure most of the non-use was due to not having.

 

[Shadowedge]

Of those options, I guess #4 would be best. It would be a real downer to money lotters in Bastok to be so harshly affected by a few people who couldn't afford the 8k for a wing. Even then, if we provide the wings, who's to say a few won't go unused and proceeds are pocketed?

I think the real issue is the fact there's no incentive to win the fight to those who are not lotting Shadow items. What if we give a bonus attendance point for a successful clear, and no bonus for a failed attempt? Or maybe make it a monetary reward, and grant everyone the right to lot Shadow items, instead of making a declaration. I could easily see people ignoring the request to bring zerg items if they have nothing to gain. Everyone attends Dynamis for a reason.

 

[yelsaewnor]

I think the real issue is the fact there's no incentive to win the fight to those who are not lotting Shadow items. What if we give a bonus attendance point for a successful clear, and no bonus for a failed attempt? Or maybe make it a monetary reward, and grant everyone the right to lot Shadow items, instead of making a declaration. I could easily see people ignoring the request to bring zerg items if they have nothing to gain. Everyone attends Dynamis for a reason.

Your first suggestion is already in effect actually and has been since our first northland clear.

As far as a monetary reward I'm not sure how you mean. Where would this money come from? In a way, this is already the case because for money lotters, the 100 makes it that much more likely that they will get gil from the run.

Everyone has the option of declaring shadow items if they choose to do so. If they decide other drops are more important to them that is their choice. I think that there are enough people who do want shadow items for it each to be a seperate comment option.

If people are still uninclined to give the zerg their all, when the tools to do so are handed to them, then perhaps they shouldn't be coming with us. I understand that everyone would like the oppertunity to go for the items that they want in dynamis, and we try to make this as fair as possible for everyone. If someone is so opposed to the idea of clearing that they would rather wipe (losing a 100 for the sponsor/money lotters as well as a chance at shadow items) than use the zerg items freely given to them, then I think there is a serious problem with their attitude towards their shellmates.

 

[Nekio]

I support option #4: everyone should be contributing to the zerg mats. Charging only the money lotters makes no sense at all, since that group of members is the one that isn't lotting any Shadow items to begin with.

Charging an entrance fee is essentially doing the same thing as "requiring" DDs to bring wings, except you're forcing them bring meds as opposed to simply trusting that they'll bring them (which we, from experience, can't trust the DDs to do). It's also spreading out the cost between all members, which is more fair anyway.

 

[Varda]

I can't say I'm excited about the prospect of having to pay for melees who can't/won't earn an extra 8k gil every 2 weeks, whether we're paying through wootz, currency, or an entry fee.

If we're going to hand out subsidies, any chance I can request one for the mages?

 

[Heie]

I will just say Yel covered this very nicely. Secondly, If someone has an idea to help with this situtation then by all means please say so. We are always open for ideas that will improve the system. The more I think about it the more I don't like the idea of taking money from money lotters be it wootz or currency or whatever. On the other side of that though there is no excuse for us losing to DL at 8%ish when it was clear people weren't giving it their all. If someone knows a way we can beat DL without using wings, massive time job changing, and can be done with 30ish people I am all ears. I am open to any idea that will have us clearing xarc on a consistant basis even if it is taking a little bit of gil from some other runs as much as I don't like that idea.

 

[Talfus]

Wizard cookies or GTFO! :bfg:

 

[yelsaewnor]

Please post any more ideas or comments here before wednesday 6/3.

On wednesday, I will discuss this with sacs.

 

[yelsaewnor]

A poll has been created to decided this issue.

Please note that the items we are talking about funding are 2 poison per person and 1 TP wing per melee.

Also note that I will be checking to see who does not use their wing. There should be no reason that a wing should not be used. However, if you do not use your wing return it to the sac you recieved it from. Faliure to return or use a wing will result in 0 points for the run.

 

[pixiehawk]

I think I've only forgotten to get items once (although last time I think I forgot to use 'cuase I'm a dork) but if the ls is going to provide them the only fair way is an entry fee. That way it's not just the money lotters that are paying for it which is what would happen with either of the other two methods mentioned.

and no, I'm not just saying that because I'm always lotting money-as I said I don't have problems providing my own stuff, just remembering to use it :badshape:

 

[yelsaewnor]

Starting with our next Xarc, members will split the cost of zerg items via an entrance fee before the run.