The "I told you so" thread.

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Rektify

Rektify

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I was not happy with our last performance in Dynamis valkurm on December 17th. In short, the amount of people saying "what are we doing?" "who can tank this?" and "I expected better from Ultima members" led me to believe at least half of us had no clue as to what was going on. This was new for many of us, we should have been communicating, and we should not have been doing it only in /tell. Maybe should've said something before we broke the glass at least.

I understand it's a risk I took. And I took a 500k loss. Ok, whatever. It could have gone better. I'm disappointed in this group, and that's much worse than any gil loss.


I was told "we'll do fine with this group" and "we can handle it, it can get rough at some spots but we'll do well." I trusted your statement. It didn't work out. It happens, let's learn to communicate more?
 
It was a "why the hell not thing." I wanted to upgrade some armor, and I was told our group could handle the clear. The only question was if the boss would drop any 100's. So, I scrounged together some money, did some mooching and things I'm not particularly proud of (harhar) to get it. I figured at the very least I'd walk away with like ... 50 coins and an upgraded piece. Paying for my own loveable Dynamis group instead of buying overpriced coins from random people on Ru'Lude Gardens sounded like the better option. At the time.

50 sounded like the absolute minimum I'd get. On average that'd be 50 x 6ish for 300k. The potential to go even higher was there. It was a risk, like anything else in ffxi - except I got boned 500k lol. I now have about 5k in my pocket.
 
First sorry I was unable to attend. Sorry you got screwed on currency rek. But many people said that is a gamble and not smart to sponsor a CoP zone. You said "I understand it's a risk I took." If you understand the risk then why are you complaining about it? Shit happens. Everyone gets screwed sooner or later somewhere. Again sorry this happened to you but what happened happened. I am sure everyone who was there (and even people who weren't) aren't happy how the run went at all.

All events get botched sometime or another. Its a game. You have to play with the hands you are dealt. I heard through the grape vine that some people were talking about pitching to recover the gil lost. You left early though and didn't give anyone a chance to do that.

Dunes is a hard zone. If one thing goes wrong it can screw up the whole run. Seen it happen with many different groups. Its just the way that zone is set up. You barely have enough time to kill the nms to make the boss pop and clearable if all goes well. Things got messed up. It happens in every dynamis zone sooner or later. Again sorry it happened to you when you were sponsoring. You didn't see me complaining over the xarc run that I sponsored on Sunday. I am suppose to get 300 currency. I barely got 80. I got screwed. All the sponsors have gotten screwed like that also. We all deal with it and move on.
 
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First, I would like to say that I am surprised that you had this response when you pushed so much to be able to sponsor even when told that you were likely to lose gil.

Second, I am suprised that you are attacking members of this group for a loss that I'm sure we are all upset over.

Third, I am not sure where you got the idea that I was guaranteeing the sucess of a clear. What was said was that if we had enough people we would attempt a clear. Since we had enough we did. I am sorry that you lost gil in your sponsor attempt.

Any CoP run is a gamble to sponsor, dunes even more so in my opinion. It needs to be done perfectly for a sucessful clear. As far as our communication in tells... there is alot going on in any given dynamis run. For the sake of clarity sometimes tells are sent to the pullers so that it is not lost in LS chat. It is not done to keep it a secret from you. It is done so that we have the best chance of sucess.

We all have millions? Seriously? I know I don't have enough to sponsor a dynamis. So I certainly understand and am sorry for your loss. I was talking with a few people about helping you with the cost after the run, but to be honest after the style of your departure I wasn't inclined to go find you and give you gil to help you recoop for your choice.

Not to be rude... but "I told you so"? No one forced you to sponsor. And if you had told me so, which you didn't, then why did you choose to sponsor when many people were telling you that it was a risk?
 
To put this into perspective, it took MissionHunters at least 6 tries to even GET clear in the first place, and this is a LS that used to always go on full runs with more or less static people, a lot of which were JP.

Valkurm is a hard zone and I don't agree at all with the response from you@Rek. Yeh, fucked up 2 pulls, but next time we know better what to expect. I'm not going to quit Amitlu because we couldn't get the clear.

If you want to sponsor and upgrade something, I suggest you make a deal with the sponsors to try and pull a city run on a random day, not gamble on CoP.

Glad Yels posted the SS, I took a picture of it too.
 
If you wanted a guaranteed currency return, sponsor dyna-bastok.

Why sell your gear to get money for currency?

In my opinion, relics are a waste of time unless there's an LS to back up your sponsors as how we did it with Garret/Fodder(maybe?)/Gunman. You could go buy all the amazering gear youd ever need if you didn't upgrade some dumb weapon.
 
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You could go buy all the amazering gear youd ever need if you didn't upgrade some dumb weapon.
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Armor, not Weapon


Rek, I felt horrid for you with this. I felt really bad that you lost a ton of gil and the items you sold to get the gil. but I also can tell (and I"m a newb to dynamis, this is my first dynamis shell, and I've got less than 6 months in) that this was a nasty zone. Shit happens in game. You took a huge risk, that sadly didn't pan out. You were warned it was a bad idea. If you are going to gamble don't bet more than you can lose.
 
I've started to type up a reply to this post about a dozen times, and every time I find I can't convey my feelings about your reaction to tonight's run properly. I'm not even sure this post will do it.

Bad runs happen. We all know this, yet somehow you seem to be the only one unable to accept this as an answer. The rest of us stayed behind to farm, making the best out of a shitty situation.

I'm sad that you're trying to blame your gil-loss on everyone else, when you knew the risks. I'm extremely, extremely offended by your attitude towards Yels and all the hard work she put in for tonight's run, as she (and Heie) does every single dynamis. And the rest of us have millions, so we wouldn't understand pissing away 500k? I won't even try to explain this, because just by making that statement, you've made it clear you won't understand.
 
Here is what your going to do:

1. Your going to take that picture down. There were three people in that Linkshell. One whom I thought didn't much give a shit either way. And the other the linkshell leader. Maybe /l chat wasn't the best venue to do that, but I doubt saying it in /t would have made much difference. That was pretty close to confidential, so it's nice to see you put it up so willingly to my pretty tame reply to what Garret said.

2. We're going to continue in private messages. This is not for people's enjoyment. If you read what I said, I said I'm disappointed in amitlu today and here is why. Is telling people to communicate more so bad?
*To express my desire to move it in that direction. And to perhaps explain my part to people in Amitlu who can read this, this is a public thread after all. (@aelfinn)

3. Keep your cash. That was my money to burn. In the end you asked if I would sponsor, irrespective of anyone saying anything - and I said Yes. For whatever reason I said yes, we failed. End of that story.

4. For Amitlu people: Yeah you are correct, I left. We had under 20 minutes to go. Yels announced we would switch to a farming run. That constitutes failure. The kind of failure that I'm ashamed of myself for. People looking at me thinking how big of a fucking moron must I be to even think of sponsoring this. People - like your Benjador - asking me why we failed. Your absolutely right I left. I'd do it again. Because I started getting tells saying "we could've planned better" and "I'm sorry dude" and Jozi in particular asked if she owed me any money. (I assume jozi came late? Told 'em no)

Are you seriously telling me you wouldn't be the least bit annoyed if you just spent 500k and got absolutely 0 for currency in return? The millions of gil comment was directed at a little joke punch in the ribs I got with "well, you sponsored it, so 500k must not be a lot to you lol" (oh you rascals)
 
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2. We're going to continue in private messages. This is not for people's enjoyment. If you read what I said, I said I'm disappointed in amitlu today and here is why. Is telling people to communicate more so bad?
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then why the hell did you post here to start with?
 
Sorry to hear what happened to you but like it's been said before that's the chance you take with COP runs. I'm not sure if this is correct or not but to me it sounds like you did it on a whim when you didn't have enough gill to sponsor it in the first place hence why you had to mooch and sell gear and whatever else. I think it's best said that if you don't have that much gill for that run that day to let someone else have it and run around farming to make that gill up or over the amount just in case a fail does happen. Fail does happen here and there with any linkshell. It happens to the best players, it's just part of the game. With that said it's just a game, play it to have fun. Sorry again to hear what happened but your attitude towards everyone who was there last night is very poor and I'm surprised to see it specially when you just leave out of it before it's over due to being angry.
 
I have Rektify's currency, what little we did get. He told me to drop it.

Offered to have everyone pay like we normally do for CoP runs, he refused.

As a sponsor I can honestly say I've had my share of horrid currency zones. The northlands are always a gamble, most times you come out barely break even, some times you get more and sometimes you don't get hardly anything.

The reasons we failed are simple. Valkrum and all CoP zones are unforgiving places and we had some bad things happen.

1) Apparently the sheep aggro from very far away. Having to pick that fly out of the sheep was unbelievably hard and took longer than we needed. (don't anyone get jumpy, placing no blame, there is none to place)

2) Probably should have wiped right away and moved on because in hindsight we didn't have time to waste on playing with sheep even for a second.

3) Forgot we needed a different strat for getting Fairy Ring. No one there had ever pulled that NM before. Fought it sure, but not pulled it.

4) Getting up and re-aggro the NM from very far. Again, these mobs must have extra long aggro range compared to other dynamis mobs.

I've only won this zone 2 times maybe 3 in the past, out of the 10 times or so that I've been in it. The only shell I've done this with in the past has been DX or Amitlu. It's a tough and unforgiving place.

Need to learn to take our lumps and bumps and bruises, chalk them up to a bad day and move on and keep trying.
 
There's a reason a lot of Dynamis shells don't even attempt Valkurm clears. The chance you take going after the boss is offset by the amount of farming you could do instead. We used to joke in DX that Dyna-Valk were the best runs to attend because they only last an hour. Not clearing Valk is often not a failure, it's usually a planned strat.

Do you have a right to be upset about losing gil? Yep. Do you have a right to blame the leadership or the shell or anyone in particular? No. You were given all of the info you needed to make an educated decision to sponsor or not. You were told currency potential was very low. It is. You were told that the zone was very difficult. It is. (as a matter of fact, it's THE most difficult Dynamis, many magnitudes of difficulty harder than Xarc/DL) You were told that most of those in attendance had never even been in that zone previously. I assume that you have never been in that zone either, which is a good enough reason by itself not to offer to sponsor.

The fact of the matter is, you made a mistake by sponsoring Valk, regardless of what shell you go with. Your reaction is completely uncalled for, and treating the situation as grounds to badmouth those in the shell is ludicrous.

I'm assuming the "I Told You So" title is referring to those that recommended you not sponsor, right...?
 
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Here is what your going to do:

1. Your going to take that picture down.
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That was pretty close to confidential, so it's nice to see you put it up so willingly to my pretty tame reply to what Garret said.

2. We're going to continue in private messages.
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I would not have posted the picture if you had not started this thread. Did I notice that you tamed down your attack of the shell when you posted on the thread? Yes. But it seemed to me that as both what you said here and what you said in /l were attacks on the shell and myself personally that they should be together.

It seems that you were looking for people to bash the shell and myself with you and since the thread has not gone in that direction you want to continue in PMs. Well I'm sorry that you started something that turned out badly. I simply felt that as you had said your piece it would be fair to say mine as well.

No one is denying that the run could have gone better, and I'm sure we will have a better strat as a group next time. As far as communication, sending tells to pullers has been common practice for every run Amitlu has done and has never caused problems. I think that we failed not because we didn't have a plan but because Dunes is a difficult zone and we were unlucky and inexperienced as a group.

It was a difficult and frustrating run for all of us. Dunes requires a high level of team work much like everything else in 11. So pushing people apart and deserting your team doesn't seem like the appropriate response to me. I will revise our plan so that we have a better chance next time if we decide to clear.
 
Even if the run had gone off without a hitch you won't see a return on investment in Valkurm. Only the Mega Boss and however many Quadav Statues you fight even have a chance to drop 100's, and a slim one at that. Besides that I doubt the zone pumps out more than 80-100 currency. Not as bad now that glasses only cost 500k but still definitely a zone to split not sponsor.

That being said I think it unfair to harshly criticize other members over the run. I'm not sure how many people were there but even Valkurm runs with 36 people can turn out horribly. It's not as though those in attendance wanted the run to go badly or were trying to sabotage it.



Yels > I'd be happy to help go over Valkurm strat and attend the next one to lend a hand.
 
Thanks Garr, we're planning to try it again next month.

We had 25 last night, so enough to clear but not a very large group.
 
I don't really have anything to add except that Yel's desktop background looks kind of cool.
 
Rektify said:
2. We're going to continue in private messages. This is not for people's enjoyment.
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If you didn't want public reactions, don't make a public thread. Heat, kitchen, etc. You say that you just wanted to express your disappointment with the shell? Well, you already did! Both in /tell, on Amitlu, and on Ultima. Also, you are not a moderator, a sack, or otherwise leadership of these forums or Amitlu, so I'm not sure you have the right to order Yels around like this, telling her "This is what you're going to do!"

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People looking at me thinking how big of a fucking moron must I be to even think of sponsoring this.
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You're assuming an awful lot about us. Nobody thought that - in fact, everyone expressed sympathy for your gil loss, and sadness over the wipe. The "well, we told you it was a CoP zone" came after you started telling everyone how big of a failure the run was and started accusing the leadership of having no plan and going in all willy-nilly.

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Are you seriously telling me you wouldn't be the least bit annoyed if you just spent 500k and got absolutely 0 for currency in return?
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You didn't get 0 currency in return. You got a few pieces, which according to Sass you refused. I'm not sure how many pieces you got exactly, but let's say you got 15 singles. If you sell each single for 7k, that's 105k recovered. Is it still an awul loss? Absolutely! Is it as bad? No, it's making the best out of the loss you can. Every single sponsor here has had these runs happen - at city runs, too! Some of us has lost a lot more money than you did. And none of us reacted in this way. Bad runs happen, wipes happen, and we pick ourselves up and move on.
 
I'm going to try to say this as nicely as I possibly can. Rek, gil is replaceable however you LS and friends are not. I can't begin to understand how you felt at that moment when you realized you lost all that gil and I'm sorry that happened to you but I highly dout it was done with malicious intent. I can definitely appreciate and understand why you would be upset. But sometimes we need to take a step back and remind ourselves that this is just a game that I pay X ammount of dollars to play each month. You really didn't lose 1 million dollars or 500,000.00 whatever it costs to enter, what you lost was an hour of your time, probably another 2 hours of stewing about what just happened, and maybe a friend or two. Rek you're an awesome person and I know your better then this.

This *points at all the previous hate/angry @ linkshell posts* is why I sit quietly at my keyboard waiting for Hello Kitty online to come back.
 
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