Next Limbus Cycle

Maybe a compromise? Do Omega normally, then Ultima normally. Then do a slow Omega run taking the time to get items, then fight Omega. Then Go through the Ultima zones, then fight Ultima? I just feel we should keep it balanced out between Omega and Ultima fights. Yes, we can rush Omega areas, if people need items from there, let them do that zone and take a few more runs to try for those items. If it drops, good, if not, at least it was a chance. Then go do Ultima areas, since takes longer I guess do it normal speed. As Freak said, could the reason of people needing the items from the Omega zones be because of blitzing it? If we actually didnt blitz Omega areas, we would kill three birds with one stone. We would get items people need by being able to focus on getting chips + items from each zone, would lengthen the time that it takes longer to do Omega areas so that it doesnt go as quickly as the blitzes do, and would also generate more coins for people in Omega areas.

~Pitlith
 
I don't think taking an extra day at doing Apollyon runs would greatly prolong in getting through Temenos to fight Ultima. As well doing a compromise where we would only spread out the Apollyon runs every second time we attend(which would be turn out to be almost every 2 months or so) isn't fair or reasonable in my opinion. Basically there's some member who want to upgrade their AF, some who wants coins so they can purchase the rare/ex gear from the NPC, some that want the items from Omega/Ultima and there some that want all three. Some people get absolutely nothing from fighting Omega/Ultima and some get no benefit from farming AF mats. But we need to find a good medium that rewards everyone for their hard work and the 50K entry fee that we spend. We know that there's a concern about treating the members fairly who need items from Omega/Ultima and getting these items in a timely manner but this concern also exists for people in the other instances for AF upgrades and rare/ex gear purchases. Putting an emphasis on just rushing through the runs to get to the Omega/Ultima fights is causing people issues. People are starting to go outside of the linkshell's runs on their own to do Apollyon runs to earn much needed coins or to get that final piece of rare/ex upgrade material that they've lacked for months and months. To me that's just not right and it hurts our productivity. A compromise is needed to help benefit all the members of our ls but finding a solution that still involves blitzing the Apollyon areas in one day isn't going to solve it. I can't think of any other solution other than spreading the Apollyon runs from two days to three that can give balance to this problem.
 
If we do end up doing two apollyons, how would that be counted in attendance? like 50% of each Apollyon? Or just attend one of the two? x_x
 
We still do the same amount of runs no matter what. We just split them up into different groups so we can push through them quicker. Nothing changes if we finish Apollyon in 1.5 weeks, or 1 day, we still do the same amount of zones. Nobody has a problem with inviting you to their alliance if an item you want drops.

I really don't see what the problem here is. If any change needs to be made, I'd say pool the coins from all the groups that go, into one, and split them up bewtween everyone... since some of the zones drop more coins.
 
Pooling coins would definitely work for those who attend Omega areas. But as far as AF+1 items, just dont blitz as quickly imo. That would still get us to Omega fight, while also focusing on getting every single Item chest possible to man kind along the way for those who need it. Blitzing these areas skipping the items might be the problem. We could just not blitz, get AF+1 items in Omega areas, get a shit load more coins in the same treasure chests, get chips for Omege fight, then head to do a normal Ultima area run. Doing it this way would:

1) Get a lot more coins for those who wish to upgrade stuff with them
2) Get a lot more AF+1 items by focusing on item chests
3) Work up to the Omega fight as always
4) Keep Omega and Ultima fights balanced

Blitzing is for 2 purposes, getting honam gear quickly and also getting to Ultima areas quickly. The above stuff might be an overall look at everything put together.

~Pitlith
 
Not to rub it in or anything, but I've tossed the AF+1 items for every job except RDM/BLM, both of which I have repeatedly passed to other LS members. I think it's only a matter of time before getting the upgrade pieces you desire, and if one drops that someone in one of the other groups needs I would like to see some collaboration between groups to get people those items. It only takes a moment to announce it in LS chat and invite the appropriate people into the alliance/pt.
 
I really see no need to change anything, like Fodder said, it's just matter of time before getting the upgrade items you desire.

You also seem to forget that we blitz Temonos too, we used to only do one area a night, now we do multiple runs. The way we do it now, gets us to Omega/Ultima quicker, so people can get the gear they want, while also getting coins and AF+1 items. I see plenty AF items drop everytime we go, it's just the luck of the draw whether your item drops or not.

When Sarah made this whole "blitz" idea, it seemed like the interest in Limbus went up. The way it used to be, people seemed to lose interest quickly, since it took so long to get to the boss fight.
 
People might be refering to when not many show up so have to skip some mobs etc which means skipping chests for treasure.

Blitzing ain't a problem if we have the numbers for it.

If we have a few more people show for the Ultima zone runs we might be able to do an extra zone and not have to skip so much either. Seems most people (not everyone) only attends what they can lot for at boss /shrug.
 
freak thats actually a great reason why alot of my friends duo/solo the zones, and your right i greatly miss doing the zones for af+1 items and coins. Seems like we just do blitz thru all of the areas thinking that ultima and omega gear is uberness when really the af+1 and coins are what most want to go for. Every run i hear ( i hope blm drops or i hope drk thf whm drops) pred has the right idea bout it and lately i dont even feel like doing limbus, like i told gar before i use to go just to help and have fun havent gotten but if anything out of all the money i spent on it. i use to go cuz it was fun~ i guess most of what im thinking pred and u have said already. its good that we're talking bout it cuz lately i have been seeing alot more people duo/soloing it rather than coming to help. i also belive melee wont stop going just cuz we get full gear from omega/ultima i dont think any one in the linkshell is like that.
 
I guess could go either way. Yea, some piece are godly in AF+1, most are not anything more than just to get rid of the actual pieces wasting an inventory slot or two. I know people are waiting on Nashira pants, feet, and Hands, on Ultima side, and also many are waiting for most of the piece (prolly all) on the Omega side. That was what i was saying about the blitzing. If people are concerned about not getting as much items, make it a point to not skip the treasure chests. This may prolong the Omega/Ultima fight a few days or whatever, but would fulfill the needs of the people wanting Coins, the people wanting Items to finish up AF+1 (godly piece or wasting spot piece), and also keeping the omege/ultima fights even as well. We have a lot of mages, and a lot of melees that need their portion.

~Pitlith
 
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