That is all based on the number of people who show up. Considering how low our numbers have been though it will most likely be a farm. Any Xarc will be a clear if we have enough people on the shell at gather time though.
Amitlu Discussion
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The reason gather time has always been 30 minutes before enter time is so that changes do not need to be made right as we enter. We can not make the call until everyone who intends to come is on the shell so that Heie and I can plan out parties.
We will make the call as soon as possible but unfortunately if only about 1/4 of the people who want to come are on when we are trying to organize the run we can't make an accuarate decision one way or the other about clear.
We will make the call as soon as possible but unfortunately if only about 1/4 of the people who want to come are on when we are trying to organize the run we can't make an accuarate decision one way or the other about clear.
sorry faye that wasn't directed specifically to you but the subject in general. overall dynamis attendance has been pretty crappy. even at our recent xarc we had 30. most cities are averaging 18 or so. we have extra bodies who can't get northlands access because we don't typically have enough in city runs for clears.
I wouldn't count on any xarc clears til after the update and hopefully the lower cost, increased drops and added relic all help boost attendance.
I wouldn't count on any xarc clears til after the update and hopefully the lower cost, increased drops and added relic all help boost attendance.
Modoja
Orginoo Gun Clappa
These numbers are pretty much on par for when SOAP was up and running so i dont see any thing shocking here.
Didn't SOAP fall apart because of low attendance? “On par†for that is not where we want to be.
So far of the people who have come with us:
20% have come to less than 10% of the runs.
31% have come to less than 33% of the runs.
56% have come to less than 50% of the runs.
(That is not including people who have only started coming recently and have been coming regularly since they started or people who’s attendance is skewed because they need city clears.)
I’d say that it is shocking that the majority of the people coming with us come to less than half the runs. Especially when of the 24 people attending less than half the runs, only 4 are invitees. The overwhelming majority are Ultima members.
RL conflicts are bound to come up now and then but the times for Dynamis are regular enough that if someone is serious about wanting to come they should be able to schedule their other commitments so that conflicts are less frequent than 50% of the time.
I’m not sure why dropping the price would have any effect on attendance because its free for everyone as is and you can even make a good bit of gil if lotting money (150k each last run). And attending runs before drop rate is increased + runs after it is increased will give you a better chance at AF than simply attending them after it is increased and skipping now no matter how much it is changed. But hopefully the update will have some affect on attendance.
I don’t want to see the shell dissolve because of lack of attendance. Heie and I are talking about possible changes that we could make to increase the incentive and ability for people to attend. Do you need the times adjusted? Runs scheduled changed? Point/ Attendance system put in place? Lotting rules adjusted? If anyone would like to let us know what is keeping you from attending please feel free so that we can try to make it easier and more rewarding to attend.
Lexa
Just call me Veronica Mars
As I've understood it, some people are afraid to come because in the chance that they do win a piece and are unable to attend the next run or two, they will be called cherrypickers, and so to avoid unwanted or unneeded tensions, they just refrain from coming altogether or go with different shells. The whole cherrypicker word was being used after only the second run we had, which while a good indicator for a few people who has repeatedly failed to show, was hardly damning evidence against most.
I definitely understand the need to be alert for people who actually only wish to come to one zone for that one piece of AF they need, but personally I think that either there needs to be a greater understanding for what is actual cherrypicking and not, and a greater understanding for the fact that sometimes, people just simply don't want to do dynamis, and they shouldn't have to be hounded for it no matter the reason - or alternatively, get a point/attendance system in, or otherwise adjust the lotting system. A lot of the people who are less enthused about dynamis were willing to come help when we desperately needed people for San D'Oria, even though they normally refrain from coming out of fear of being accused of lootwhoring.
I definitely understand the need to be alert for people who actually only wish to come to one zone for that one piece of AF they need, but personally I think that either there needs to be a greater understanding for what is actual cherrypicking and not, and a greater understanding for the fact that sometimes, people just simply don't want to do dynamis, and they shouldn't have to be hounded for it no matter the reason - or alternatively, get a point/attendance system in, or otherwise adjust the lotting system. A lot of the people who are less enthused about dynamis were willing to come help when we desperately needed people for San D'Oria, even though they normally refrain from coming out of fear of being accused of lootwhoring.
I'm curious, how many have come to all runs or missed just one?
I agree with Lexa.. personally I didn't want to start coming until I knew I could come the majority of the time because of that. I usually don't come Wednesdays as it is because I have to be up early the next morning (7AM EST).
But I also understand it as "if you're online, you're expected to come." If you're not online, it means you're busy.. unless, say, someone mysteriously only logs on during xarc runs because they only want RDM hat.
It's a gray area, it's hard to label someone as "cherry picking" unless they make it clear they will only come for one or two particular zones. I like to believe people have a genuine desire to help.. if they have RL obligations, they have RL obligations. It's not always possible to work around FFXI.
Still, I don't think it's a huge problem.. nobody is calling anyone out (which I'm sure everyone can agree would be totally unacceptable).. I just want to have fun and I hope others share the same sentiment, so lets have fun
But I also understand it as "if you're online, you're expected to come." If you're not online, it means you're busy.. unless, say, someone mysteriously only logs on during xarc runs because they only want RDM hat.
It's a gray area, it's hard to label someone as "cherry picking" unless they make it clear they will only come for one or two particular zones. I like to believe people have a genuine desire to help.. if they have RL obligations, they have RL obligations. It's not always possible to work around FFXI.
Still, I don't think it's a huge problem.. nobody is calling anyone out (which I'm sure everyone can agree would be totally unacceptable).. I just want to have fun and I hope others share the same sentiment, so lets have fun
Ehon
(Z_z)
I think I just missed the very first Sandy run due to work conflicts, but more are bound to pop up as the school year (and my busy time at work) starts.
Then again, I'm a bit late to Xarca as I type this and run...
7% Have been to all or only missed one run.
I do understand that there will be people who can only come occasionally because of busy schedules. If they are able to come and on I don't want them to feel like they can't come. I only have a problem with people being on and deciding not to come because its a run they don't want to attend even though they were available. As long as we have a stable group of people that come regularly having a few that come occasionally isn't really a problem. People who do this should be aware though we are keeping a record of this and if they are only coming to say Xarc runs we will be able to see that. I do not think many people are truely cherrypicking. I am more concerned with seeing if there is something that can be done to make it easier for people to attend.
Personally if i had a shell with the numbers showing that this shell has had i would be extremely happy.
It still beats buying currency & your playing with people who do know how to play.
I won't make every dynamis myself. I have a few other commitments going on right now like CoP static with LS mates. If they happen to be available and ready on a day LS does dynamis then i will most likely skip dynamis and advance with my ls mates.
SOAP had some drama between people (if this person comes then i ain't coming etc). SOAP had good numbers for a long time. SOAP also had to compete against DX. Really can't compare SOAP to this shell.
You can make all the changes in the world to make others happy and attend but in the long run there will be others that won't like the changes and you will probably lose them. It sucks but this happens. Example for me would be CoP, i hate it, have no interest in it, can't be farmed for currency properly, i will no attended any CoP dynamis personally.
It still beats buying currency & your playing with people who do know how to play.
I won't make every dynamis myself. I have a few other commitments going on right now like CoP static with LS mates. If they happen to be available and ready on a day LS does dynamis then i will most likely skip dynamis and advance with my ls mates.
SOAP had some drama between people (if this person comes then i ain't coming etc). SOAP had good numbers for a long time. SOAP also had to compete against DX. Really can't compare SOAP to this shell.
You can make all the changes in the world to make others happy and attend but in the long run there will be others that won't like the changes and you will probably lose them. It sucks but this happens. Example for me would be CoP, i hate it, have no interest in it, can't be farmed for currency properly, i will no attended any CoP dynamis personally.
1% are sexy sonbitches (me)
60% of the time it works everytime
90% of statistics are made up
about the cherry picking thing, that should not scare people into not coming. if youre fucking winning af2 left and right and only show up to 3 over 3 months, then yes, that should be wtf'd at.
Lexa
Just call me Veronica Mars
I wanted to make it clear, I'm not necessarily the one with the problems I mentioned, nor that viewpoint. I agree that it's easy to misunderstand or feel judged by the present system, and I agree with Yels that the main point is not to do that but to find ways that will make it easier for people to attend - but I think on the whole, Yels and Heie have done a really awesome job at leading this shell, 'cause leading a dyna ls is shitty as hell. My post was not meant to be offensive or as critique, I apologize if it came off that way.
Arafea
Exploding, Toothpick wielding Taru
well i can tell you this, ive been online and have not come to dynamis since the one time i did attend. but heres the thing, im on everynite, even if im not at my computer. so if you are "keeping track" of me, ya i was on. but no i wasnt at my computer. i personally dont like these comments you guys are making about watching people. rubs me the wrong way. but it is your shell so run as you please. but hey, could show a little more trust in your ls mates and not keep stats on attendance. just my 2 cents.
-ara
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Modoja
Orginoo Gun Clappa
Going to skip your giant wall o'text and get to the important part, see above. SOAP ran for a very long time attendance was never an issue untill we had only 1 sponser and people jumping back and forth from SOAP to DX. Since neither of those are an issue anymore, hence no DX and everyone and their brother wanting to sponser i dont see a problem
P.S what Defiant said
Since there is no lotting system kinda have to keep track of who is at what run. There is no reason why people should be concerned with us marking a spread sheet with a X for who has been to what run or not.
Yel and I are here to try and help people. We are not here to put people down, discourage attendance or anything of the like. We are trying to make our Dynamis runs the most successful we can. Yel and I are trying to do the best we can. Could we do better? Of course we could. But can everyone else do better with attendance and/or proformance? The answer is yes.
Anyone that has sent Yel or I a tell with a question/concern/problem. I think they will agree that we did our best to resolve the problem/concern/question. If not both Yel and I would like to know about it so we can try and improve the situation.
Dynamis is not an easy thing to lead. Yel and I would love nothing more for everyone to get every single piece of AF they want in one run. Have 100 pieces drop from every mob and have 100% full clear for every run. Clearly that isn't going to happen. But we are trying to get as close to that as humely possible. When we have to deal with people pulling Yulo's during runs, refusing to change to the jobs that they are asked to, not doing your job during the run, and not acting like a team player. It causes big problems. If you aren't going to be a team player then we don't want you on the team.
If you can't make a run let Yel or I or one of the other sacs know. I am one of the first people to say RL > game. Please don't put RL things aside so you can come to dynamis because you think you will get kicked or get a bad rep or anything like that. If you have a suggestion let us know. If you have someone you want to attendend let us know. We really are very understanding of situations. Kinda hard to understand a problem though if we don't have any information about it.
If I had to decide between having an extra rdm at xarc runs till they got AF hat or not have them at all I would rather not have them at all. That way when it does drop it can go to someone that will use it to help others get AF.
At this point IDK what else to say. People have said that us keeping track of who is at what runs is rubbing them the wrong way. But when people say one thing and do the oppisite or don't do it at all, that rubs us the wrong way. I only want amitlu to be successful. We are trying our best to make this a success. If you have any suggestions that will make this more successful please let us know.
Yel and I are here to try and help people. We are not here to put people down, discourage attendance or anything of the like. We are trying to make our Dynamis runs the most successful we can. Yel and I are trying to do the best we can. Could we do better? Of course we could. But can everyone else do better with attendance and/or proformance? The answer is yes.
Anyone that has sent Yel or I a tell with a question/concern/problem. I think they will agree that we did our best to resolve the problem/concern/question. If not both Yel and I would like to know about it so we can try and improve the situation.
Dynamis is not an easy thing to lead. Yel and I would love nothing more for everyone to get every single piece of AF they want in one run. Have 100 pieces drop from every mob and have 100% full clear for every run. Clearly that isn't going to happen. But we are trying to get as close to that as humely possible. When we have to deal with people pulling Yulo's during runs, refusing to change to the jobs that they are asked to, not doing your job during the run, and not acting like a team player. It causes big problems. If you aren't going to be a team player then we don't want you on the team.
If you can't make a run let Yel or I or one of the other sacs know. I am one of the first people to say RL > game. Please don't put RL things aside so you can come to dynamis because you think you will get kicked or get a bad rep or anything like that. If you have a suggestion let us know. If you have someone you want to attendend let us know. We really are very understanding of situations. Kinda hard to understand a problem though if we don't have any information about it.
If I had to decide between having an extra rdm at xarc runs till they got AF hat or not have them at all I would rather not have them at all. That way when it does drop it can go to someone that will use it to help others get AF.
At this point IDK what else to say. People have said that us keeping track of who is at what runs is rubbing them the wrong way. But when people say one thing and do the oppisite or don't do it at all, that rubs us the wrong way. I only want amitlu to be successful. We are trying our best to make this a success. If you have any suggestions that will make this more successful please let us know.