Proto-Ultima Lotting Priority - September 14, 2007

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sarahlynn

sarahlynn

Bootylicious Mistress of the Night
Hands > Haku
Legs > Jas
Body > Magos
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Scheduled start time is 9:15 PM EDT Friday

Ultima's Cerebrum (Nashira Turban)
Cyndel, Varda > Sarahlynn, Eilistrae, Hakusaku > Spit

Ultima's Heart (Nashira Manteel)
Jasmin, Varda, Cyndel, Magos

Ultima's Claw (Nashira Gages)
Hakusaku > Spit, Eilistrae > Onorok

Ultima's Leg (Nashira Seraweels)
Jasmin > Fodder, Magos

Ultima's Tail (Nashira Crackows)
Sarahlynn, Eilistrae > Spit, Hakusaku

Based on 3 Temenos, 1 Apollyon day.
 
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Lotting may need updating if someone can provide accurate attendance for the last Proto-Ultima and Proto-Omega.
 
I have to play a radio show tonight until 9PM, wouldn't be home until 9:30, and then I have people showing up to head to a party up in Baltimore. So there is a big chance I'm going to miss the fight :/
 
Ouch, I didn't think the day I had to miss would disqualify me completely. x_x; I was at the last Proto Omega if that counts for anything.

Unless we have a complete Omega popset, maybe it would be better to do an Apollyon run today to give people that didn't show up for the last Apollyon a chance for attendance. I'm not trying to be biased in suggesting that but I always thought that we waited until we had both a completed Omega AND Ultima pop set before we attempt either so that it give people a chance to be counted for attendance. If you look at the days that we did Omegas and Ultimas, they were always back to back.

One last thing to consider: if we do Ultima tonight, the next Apollyon Cycle gets a little screwy. Here's why:


Ultima > Today

Apollyon NE and NW > Tuesday

Omega > Friday


WHat cycle does Tuesday's run fall under, the current one or the next one? If it's the next one, we'd be counting 2 of the same zones in one cycle (We'd have to do another NW and NE for the next Omega)? If so then it looks like the 2 Omega cycles are pretty disproprtionate: 1 Apollyon counted for this Ultima, 3 Apollyons counted for next Ultima. And that still doesn't explain where Tuesday's Apollyon would be counted. Lastly, since Omega always takes much less time to collect than Ultima, don't we usually do Omega first to give people interested in the Ultima cycle a chance to attend more than 1 Apollyon run?

In the past, we've always waited until both Omega and Ultima chips have been collected before popping either one in order to ensure that everyone has the maximum oppurtunities to attend Limbus. I think the whole principle of lotting based on 50% attendance falls out of the window if you only give people 1 chance to attend. =X
 
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I can't recall ever waiting to fight Ultima or Omega until we had both sets complete. Rather if one set was complete or we had extra people we'd start the zones for the next set. In the past we've taken a liberal approach to the 50% rule as in if you attend at least once a week you are most likely counted as attending 50% rather than strictly 50% of both chip farming runs. The 50% rule was to discourage people from exclusively attending Apollyon or Temenos. If you miss a run now and then I anyone could consider that cherrypicking. If you only missed one day then I am certain you would qualify Magos.
 
Hmm. I honestly was under the impression we tried to keep Ultima and Omega pops close to each other. It always seemed that we'd do Ultima and Omega fights back to back. I completely understand and prefer the 50% rule to prevent cherrypicking but, at the same time, we tend to do all of Apollyon in 2 runs (1 for collecting chips, 1 for the Omega fight). So if you put Ultima before Omega, people only have 1 chance to qualify for the 50% attendance. It's just a bit disheartening to lose out on a shot at lotting after 3 weeks of Limbus because I got RL'd for one day. ._.

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the 50% rule as in if you attend at least once a week you are most likely counted as attending 50% rather than strictly 50% of both chip farming runs. The 50% rule was to discourage people from exclusively attending Apollyon or Temenos.
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Wait a sec. Is it 50% attendance in general (i.e. at least 1 run a week) or 50% for each zone? I always thought it was 50% for each zone.



One more Edit: I think FOdder should be after Jas in lotting order for legs, no? Unless he has them already :x
 
While it is 50% for each zone, we have always understood that people have lives and sometimes miss a day now and then. For instance, I often can't make ever other Friday. I'm missing because of RL commitments, not because I am cherrypicking. The point of the rule is to prevent cherrypicking. If we feel someone is cherrypicking, they will be denied lotting. If they just can't make a certain day for whatever reason, we try not to hold it against them as there is no apparent intent to cherrypick.

This rule was implemented before we started knocking out 3-4 zones at a go. I think being hardnosed about it would be unreasonable as it would screw anyone who happened to miss a day. For some time now, if you've attended at least once a week, you've been counted as participating at a satisfactory level. Should anyone start having "RL commitments" on every run except for Apollyons, they will find themself not lotting.

The spirit of the rule is to discourage behavior we don't want to see in our members and it seems to work well enough without dealing in absolutes (insert Sith reference here).
 
I thought it was 50% per cycle.

Anyways, I have had a few cycles where I have been permitted to lot, but I can't make the fight. Sometimes it just happens like that.
 
Ok, thanks for clearing that up Fodd. The only run I've missed in like 2 months has been that 1 Apollyon run so hopefully that will be taken into consideration. The one other question that I have that just popped into my mind is this:

The only reason we did Apollyon that day was because I wasnt there and I had 2 of the chips. Assuming I had been there, we would have finished Temenos one day sooner. Does that mean there wouldnt have been any Apollyon runs counted in this cycle?

The reason I ask this is because it explains why I always thought we tried to do Ultima and Omega close together. I always thought both Apollyon and Temenos runs had to be counted in the same cycles. But now I'm confused. :google:
 
Barring chip holder absence, they Apollyon and Temenos alternate and are a "cycle". That's somewhat blurred from time to time due to chipholder absence, losses in a zone, what have you. Somtimes they overlap.

You're trying to make something black and white that just isn't and can't *reasonably* be made so. If you can say you attend at least half the time, and aren't biases toward one area or another you have nothing to worry about.

Simple, to the point, no confusion - If you with to lot either Homam or Nashira:
1. Attend 50% or more Limbus runs during the most recent Ultima/Omega cycle.
2. Do not cherry pick Apollyon/Temenos.

Confusion dispelled?
 
Updated to just be 50% of the most recent 4 runs, because that is all I have attendance for.

As far as leniency towards regular attendees, I do apply that sometimes, but in general, only when someone is one run short, and I know they attend something like 90% of runs. If you had previous near perfect attendance and then decided to skip a cycle, you would not be allowed to lot.

About scheduling, we have never waited until we have both pop sets to pop either one. As Fod said, it's just how it happens sometimes due to attendance fluctuation, chip holder absence, etc.
 
Ah ok. Sorry for all the confusion, I just wanted to make sure we were all clear on how this worked.




Also, I'm in the same tier as Fodd for Nashira legs ^^;;;;;;;;;;;
 
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