Hydra Gear Point Discussion

Garret

Garret

Galkasaur
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I hadn't set a value for any of the Hydra gear which drops in Tavnazia yet. What do people think is a reasonable cost for this gear?

While it is obviously rare just getting to Tavnazia is also hard enough, and the cost for entering is far worse than a normal Dynamis, as well as the difficulty in farming in Tavnazia in general.

My inclination is to give these pieces a point value of 4 or 8, leaning towards 4.

Thoughts?
 
hehe.. if anyone even wants it. I concur, 4 points for hydra NPC gear

What about the -1 gear costs? or other gear costs?

~Sass
 
maybe should look at just what the pieces are before giving a point tier to them... if i recall right some are downright worthless, and some are rather nice... maybe tier points on these depending on relative usefullness?
 
hydra gear
Hydra Beret
Level: 70
Flags: Rare / Exclusive / Not NPC Sellable
Slot: Head
Type: Armor: Doublet
Jobs: BRD BLM RDM SMN WHM
Races: All
Defense: 24
Equipment Category:
Armor / Head
Effects for Hydra Beret:

* Accuracy +3
* Evasion +3
* Enmity -8
* MP Regeneration While Healing +2


Hydra Boots
Level: 70
Flags: Rare / Exclusive / Not NPC Sellable
Slot: Feet
Type: Stout Cloth
Jobs: All
Races: All
Defense: 18
Equipment Category:
Armor / Feet
Effects for Hydra Boots:

* Fellow: HP+10 MP+10 AGI+2

Hydra Bracers
Level: 70
Flags: Rare / Exclusive / Not NPC Sellable
Slot: Hands
Type: Stout Cloth
Jobs: All
Races: All
Defense: 20
Equipment Category:
Armor / Hands
Effects for Hydra Bracers:

* Fellow: HP+10 MP+10 DEX+2


Hydra Brais
Level: 70
Flags: Rare / Exclusive / Not NPC Sellable
Slot: Legs
Type: Armor: Doublet
Jobs: BRD BLM RDM SMN WHM
Races: All
Defense: 32
Equipment Category:
Armor / Legs
Effects for Hydra Brais:

* Accuracy +10
* Evasion +10
* Enmity -6
* MP Regeneration While Healing +1


Hydra Brayettes
Level: 70
Flags: Rare / Exclusive / Not NPC Sellable
Slot: Legs
Type: Armor: Plate
Jobs: DRK PLD WAR
Races: All
Defense: 37
Equipment Category:
Armor / Legs
Effects for Hydra Brayettes:

* HP -30
* MP +30
* Accuracy +3
* Enmity +6


Hydra Cap
Level: 70
Flags: Rare / Exclusive / Not NPC Sellable
Slot: Head
Type: Stout Cloth
Jobs: All
Races: All
Defense: 28
Equipment Category:
Armor / Head
Effects for Hydra Cap:

* Fellow: HP+10 MP+10 INT+2


Hydra Doublet
Level: 70
Flags: Rare / Exclusive / Not NPC Sellable
Slot: Body
Type: Armor: Doublet
Jobs: BRD BLM RDM SMN WHM
Races: All
Defense: 43
Equipment Category:
Armor / Body
Effects for Hydra Doublet:

* MP +40
* Accuracy +10
* Evasion +10
* Enmity -9
* Enchantment: Adds 'Refresh' Effect
<Max Charges: 20 / Equip Delay: 30s / Reuse Timer: 30m>


Hydra Gaiters
Level: 70
Flags: Rare / Exclusive / Not NPC Sellable
Slot: Feet
Type: Armor: Doublet
Jobs: BRD BLM RDM SMN WHM
Races: All
Defense: 14
Equipment Category:
Armor / Feet
Effects for Hydra Gaiters:

* Accuracy +6
* Evasion +6
* Enmity -5
* MP Regeneration While Healing +2


Hydra Gloves
Level: 70
Flags: Rare / Exclusive / Not NPC Sellable
Slot: Hands
Type: Armor: Doublet
Jobs: BRD BLM RDM SMN WHM
Races: All
Defense: 16
Equipment Category:
Armor / Hands
Effects for Hydra Gloves:

* Accuracy +6
* Evasion +6
* Enmity -5
* MP Regeneration While Healing +1


Hydra Harness
Level: 70
Flags: Rare / Exclusive / Not NPC Sellable
Slot: Body
Type: Armor: Banded Mail
Jobs: BRD BLU BST COR DRK DRG MNK NIN PLD RDM RNG SAM THF WAR
Races: All
Defense: 44
Equipment Category:
Armor / Body
Effects for Hydra Harness:

* Enchantment: Attack+25 Ranged Attack+25
<Max Charges: 1 / Equip Delay: 30s / Reuse Timer: 20h>


Hydra Haubert
Level: 70
Flags: Rare / Exclusive / Not NPC Sellable
Slot: Body
Type: Armor: Plate
Jobs: DRK PLD WAR
Races: All
Defense: 45
Equipment Category:
Armor / Body
Effects for Hydra Haubert:

* HP -20
* MP +20
* Accuracy +10
* Enmity +9
* Enchantment: Adds 'Refresh' Effect
<Max Charges: 20 / Equip Delay: 30s / Reuse Timer: 30m>


Hydra Hose
Level: 70
Flags: Rare / Exclusive / Not NPC Sellable
Slot: Legs
Type: Stout Cloth
Jobs: All
Races: All
Defense: 35
Equipment Category:
Armor / Legs
Effects for Hydra Hose:

* Fellow: HP+10 MP+10 STR+2


Hydra Jupon
Level: 70
Flags: Rare / Exclusive / Not NPC Sellable
Slot: Body
Type: Stout Cloth
Jobs: All
Races: All
Defense: 42
Equipment Category:
Armor / Body
Effects for Hydra Jupon:

* Fellow: HP+20 MP+20 VIT+2


Hydra Mittens
Level: 70
Flags: Rare / Exclusive / Not NPC Sellable
Slot: Hands
Type: Armor: Banded Mail
Jobs: BRD BLU BST COR DRK DRG MNK NIN PLD RDM RNG SAM THF WAR
Races: All
Defense: 16
Equipment Category:
Armor / Hands
Effects for Hydra Mittens:

* Enchantment: Accuracy +15 Ranged Accuracy +15
<Max Charges: 1 / Equip Delay: 30s / Reuse Timer: 20h>


Hydra Moufles
Level: 70
Flags: Rare / Exclusive / Not NPC Sellable
Slot: Hands
Type: Armor: Plate
Jobs: DRK PLD WAR
Races: All
Defense: 17
Equipment Category:
Armor / Hands
Effects for Hydra Moufles:

* HP -18
* MP +18
* Accuracy +4
* Enmity +6


Hydra Salade
Level: 70
Flags: Rare / Exclusive / Not NPC Sellable
Slot: Head
Type: Armor: Plate
Jobs: DRK PLD WAR
Races: All
Defense: 25
Equipment Category:
Armor / Head
Effects for Hydra Salade:

* HP -20
* MP +20
* Accuracy +5
* Enmity +7


Hydra Sollerets
Level: 70
Flags: Rare / Exclusive / Not NPC Sellable
Slot: Feet
Type: Armor: Plate
Jobs: DRK PLD WAR
Races: All
Defense: 15
Equipment Category:
Armor / Feet
Effects for Hydra Sollerets:

* HP -35
* MP +35
* Accuracy +4
* Enmity +4


Hydra Spats
Level: 70
Flags: Rare / Exclusive / Not NPC Sellable
Slot: Feet
Type: Armor: Banded Mail
Jobs: BRD BLU BST COR DRK DRG MNK NIN PLD RDM RNG SAM THF WAR
Races: All
Defense: 14
Equipment Category:
Armor / Feet
Effects for Hydra Spats:

* Enchantment: Evasion +15
<Max Charges: 1 / Equip Delay: 30s / Reuse Timer: 20h>


Hydra Tiara
Level: 70
Flags: Rare / Exclusive / Not NPC Sellable
Slot: Head
Type: Armor: Banded Mail
Jobs: BRD BLU BST COR DRK DRG MNK NIN PLD RDM RNG SAM THF WAR
Races: All
Defense: 24
Equipment Category:
Armor / Head
Effects for Hydra Tiara:

* Enchantment: Increases Rate of Critical Hits
<Max Charges: 1 / Equip Delay: 30s / Reuse Timer: 20h>


Hydra Tights
Level: 70
Flags: Rare / Exclusive / Not NPC Sellable
Slot: Legs
Type: Armor: Banded Mail
Jobs: BRD BLU BST COR DRK DRG MNK NIN PLD RDM RNG SAM THF WAR
Races: All
Defense: 32
Equipment Category:
Armor / Legs
Effects for Hydra Tights:

* Enchantment: Haste
<Max Charges: 1 / Equip Delay: 30s / Reuse Timer: 20h>
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While there is a mix of good & bad items among them I would rather charge a standard price for them all, otherwise it becomes a hassle during the run to figure out how much it costs.

AF2-1 already has a point value assigned to it Sass. I wasn't planning on adding a different cost for the Tavnazia pieces, if that is what you were referring to.
 
The melee hydra set give a ton of enmity which would be nice to macro in for /ja's. Down side is you'd lose 123 HP everytime you macro the set in. The +MP on it wouldn't do anything for me either.

Mage hydra set looks nice for the +mp and -enmity. As a WHM I don't see where I'd really want it tho, I have other pieces for each slot that are better if not just as good.
 
I'm not a fan of macro'ing in enmity on visible pieces of equip, it can be frustrating to targetting.

The body piece I might be willing to suck up the HP loss for.

It's more than 123hp as well, consider that each time you macro it in you also lose whatever +HP other gear had. The body piece for instance is more like a -40hp loss when you compare it to like body pieces, or a -80hp loss if you were wearing koenig.
 
I think I would rather win AF2 but Hydra Haubert would be pimp l33t rare sexy factor.
 
tbh i think the only ones i'm interested in are the npc ones lol, oh and the hmp hands and feet look gewd
 
Talfus said:
Mage hydra set looks nice for the +mp and -enmity. As a WHM I don't see where I'd really want it tho, I have other pieces for each slot that are better if not just as good.
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I'm somewhat surprised by that. Several of the pieces have the best hMP of any armor for that slot. This set has the best +acc for several slots. It has as much -enmity as full raven, better +eva, and much higher defense. I suppose it depends on what you're doing, but for times you need to solo/farm or help some lowbies with quests/missions, I can see it being pretty useful.

The hMP is the part I'm most interested in. Using this armor lets you build a set that outperforms full Yigit (including its auto-refresh). More hMP is always a good thing. ^_^

I think the primary drawback of the set is the same as any new armor: not enough inventory spots to keep everything that would be useful. >_<

Edit: slightly changed my +acc comment.

P.S. I think 4 points is probably a good number for these. As much as I think the Hydra mage set looks really interesting for some purposes, they're not really pieces to use all the time. 2 sounds low, but I don't think people would drop 8 points on them.
 
WHM evasion sucks.
-enmity... I really don't have a problem with pulling hate as is on whm
+hmp is nice but I'm happy with what I have atm. (dark staff, houppeland, wiz cookies)
 
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