Dawntrail has been a contentious release, to put it mildly. It has a spectrum of quality that depending on who you ask is lifted by some high highs but is also dragged down by low lows. I myself enjoyed some aspects of it while being disappointed in others. However, I'm not really here to discuss the story as a whole, rather I'm here to discuss one object in particular.
The relic or key that allowed travel between the reflections.
This object could lead the story in many directions and I want to discuss its potential effects on the story and lore as well as get your own opinions
This relic has the opportunity to influence Y'shtola's personal goal. It is literally the solution to Y'shtola's conundrum of inter-reflection travel. My own personal concern is that Y'shtola has been working hard to study and find her own way to travel between the reflections, and now has simply been handed one.
Do you think that this will be tantamount to the end of her reflection-hopping subplot? If so, do you think this undermines her efforts in any way, simply being handed a gizmo that allows it, rather than actually unraveling the mystery and gaining an understanding of the mechanics behind it through her own journey? After all, the story has gone to great lengths to emphasize how important the accrual of knowledge and understanding is to Y'shtola's personal story, it can be easy to see this as an unsatisfying resolution by removing her agency in solving this conundrum entirely.
Of course, future patches may address this and make such worries unfounded, but for now it is a concerning possibility to consider.
I'm interested in your concerns and theories.
So while not explicitly stated, it seems to be heavily inferred that the relic or "key" that was used in multiple instances to bridge the gap between reflections was a relic either related to or created by Azem. We of course don't have confirmation of this that I'm aware, but the inference created by Azem's symbol appearing on it is too strong to ignore.
Let's just assume that it was created by Azem, as that seems to be the consensus opinion for now.
I'm honestly kind of concerned with this inference. Particularly: How did Azem create this, and why?
You see, Azem was sundered. The existence of Ardbert seems to outright prove that fact. It's not really up for debate, it's more or less outright stated.
Hythlodaeus:
According to various ascians, the fact that Azem was sundered has multiple implications and assumptions that come with it.
Emet Selch:
Elidibus:
Do you see the potential issue I see here? After the sundering, when the world was divided into reflections, Azem likely was bereft of both the power and memories of their former life. They would have lacked the power, knowledge, and motivation to create the relic.
So...did Azem create a relic that could bridge reflections before there were any reflections to bridge?
Considering how inconsistent the quality of the writing has been in this expansion, I have legitimate concerns that the writers potentially didn't think this through.
Of course, my concerns could be unfounded. Perhaps the relic was created for another purpose and its former functionality coincidentally allows or even necessitates that it be able to function across shards.
Perhaps this is going to be yet another handwaved instance of Azem possessing knowledge they mysteriously should not. After all, they foresaw our coming to (EW raid spoilers) Pandaemonium and informed Elidibus of such. Who is to say that they weren't granted foreknowledge of the sundering? Venat honestly likely relayed the future to them when trying to recruit them to her cause.
Of course, this raises the question: how do you even create and test an object that bridges reflections before there are any reflections to bridge? Did Azem just make it and go, "Gosh, I sure hope this object I can't test will work in the future."
Perhaps there are other theories I have not considered. What are your thoughts and theories?
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The relic or key that allowed travel between the reflections.
This object could lead the story in many directions and I want to discuss its potential effects on the story and lore as well as get your own opinions
Y'shtola's Personal Story
This relic has the opportunity to influence Y'shtola's personal goal. It is literally the solution to Y'shtola's conundrum of inter-reflection travel. My own personal concern is that Y'shtola has been working hard to study and find her own way to travel between the reflections, and now has simply been handed one.
Do you think that this will be tantamount to the end of her reflection-hopping subplot? If so, do you think this undermines her efforts in any way, simply being handed a gizmo that allows it, rather than actually unraveling the mystery and gaining an understanding of the mechanics behind it through her own journey? After all, the story has gone to great lengths to emphasize how important the accrual of knowledge and understanding is to Y'shtola's personal story, it can be easy to see this as an unsatisfying resolution by removing her agency in solving this conundrum entirely.
Of course, future patches may address this and make such worries unfounded, but for now it is a concerning possibility to consider.
I'm interested in your concerns and theories.
The Azem Inference
So while not explicitly stated, it seems to be heavily inferred that the relic or "key" that was used in multiple instances to bridge the gap between reflections was a relic either related to or created by Azem. We of course don't have confirmation of this that I'm aware, but the inference created by Azem's symbol appearing on it is too strong to ignore.
Let's just assume that it was created by Azem, as that seems to be the consensus opinion for now.
I'm honestly kind of concerned with this inference. Particularly: How did Azem create this, and why?
You see, Azem was sundered. The existence of Ardbert seems to outright prove that fact. It's not really up for debate, it's more or less outright stated.
Hythlodaeus:
According to various ascians, the fact that Azem was sundered has multiple implications and assumptions that come with it.
Emet Selch:
Elidibus:
Do you see the potential issue I see here? After the sundering, when the world was divided into reflections, Azem likely was bereft of both the power and memories of their former life. They would have lacked the power, knowledge, and motivation to create the relic.
So...did Azem create a relic that could bridge reflections before there were any reflections to bridge?
Considering how inconsistent the quality of the writing has been in this expansion, I have legitimate concerns that the writers potentially didn't think this through.
Of course, my concerns could be unfounded. Perhaps the relic was created for another purpose and its former functionality coincidentally allows or even necessitates that it be able to function across shards.
Perhaps this is going to be yet another handwaved instance of Azem possessing knowledge they mysteriously should not. After all, they foresaw our coming to (EW raid spoilers) Pandaemonium and informed Elidibus of such. Who is to say that they weren't granted foreknowledge of the sundering? Venat honestly likely relayed the future to them when trying to recruit them to her cause.
Of course, this raises the question: how do you even create and test an object that bridges reflections before there are any reflections to bridge? Did Azem just make it and go, "Gosh, I sure hope this object I can't test will work in the future."
Perhaps there are other theories I have not considered. What are your thoughts and theories?
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