Sparhawk is interested in teaming up

[Fodder]

I told him I would bring it up for you do discuss.

1. They generally have 24ish people. I indicated I think small runs are better and suggested maybe doing parallel runs, i.e. Bastok and Windy on the same day, so people could pick which of the two they want to attend, if anything. Small is good imo.

2. Maybe only team up for Xarc DL/Weapon runs?

Feel free to voice your ideas/opinions for/against. I'm not pushing the idea, just posing the question I was asked.

 

[Heie]

I know sparhawk. He is a good guy and knows his stuff. If we did team up for xarc clears and relic items only concern would be how the rules would work cause clearly things would change.

I think this is a good idea though. So we can keep low numbers but still clear xarc.

 

[yelsaewnor]

I think teaming up to clear xarc is a good idea if we can work out rules that will work for both groups.

I don't support the idea of doing parallel runs though. Numbers are already fairly low for us and if we lose, say 10 people to a Bastok run while we are trying to do a Windy run we would be down to about 15. In my opinion this would also discourage the growth of a strong consistant dynamis group. The reason a point system or 50% attendance system was not implemented was the trust that people will do their best to come to every run if they are online.

 

[Benny]

We also need to consider the Xarc AF situation. I think for a lot of our members the only things they still need from Dyna are Xarc AF in the form of RDM, BLM, THF, PLD... the best and among the rarest of AF2. It might be worthwhile to try Xarc for ourselves and see how DL goes before making a decision.

I also agree with Yels's point that if we do parallel Bastok and Windy, I guarantee you'll see 35 people in Bastok and 10 people in Windy (this is of course a pretty good argument for doing more Bastok than Windy, but when we do Windy we need to make sure we can at least do well there).

-benny

 

[Heie]

When I get a chance i'll talk to sparhawk and we can toss some ideas back and forth. I'll let post here what we disscuss and can go from there. I will make sure we all have the details of whats planned before anything is set in stone.

 

[yelsaewnor]

I agree with Benny. We should give xarc a shot before we decide anything.

 

[Heie]

We also need to consider the Xarc AF situation. I think for a lot of our members the only things they still need from Dyna are Xarc AF in the form of RDM, BLM, THF, PLD... the best and among the rarest of AF2. It might be worthwhile to try Xarc for ourselves and see how DL goes before making a decision.

I also agree with Yels's point that if we do parallel Bastok and Windy, I guarantee you'll see 35 people in Bastok and 10 people in Windy (this is of course a pretty good argument for doing more Bastok than Windy, but when we do Windy we need to make sure we can at least do well there).

-benny

Was already thinking about this. Reason we have a lot of city runs and not many northland runs this month was, everthing is all new. One yel and I are new to leading dynamis. (It was a little daunting.) Also doing it low manned. Yel and I wanted to make sure that the dynamis runs went well and put the easy runs first and save the harder ones for later. In the upcoming months there will be a lot more northland runs. Most likely looking like one of each city a month 2 glac and 2-3 xarc a month.

Could do 1-2 solo farming runs focusing on getting AF for us and do 1 xarc clear a month with sparhawks group. That way we can try and focus on getting the harder AF for our group and still get shadow items, fragments, ect.

 

[yelsaewnor]

Could do 1-2 solo farming runs focusing on getting AF for us and do 1 xarc clear a month with sparhawks group. That way we can try and focus on getting the harder AF for our group and still get shadow items, fragments, ect.

That sounds like a solid plan. Still think that it would be wise to test the waters before deciding to join up. Its still early in the month and several people have told me they will be coming with us for the first time tonight. It is possible that we could get to the point of clearing Xarc on our own in the near future.

 

[Heie]

Just tossing ideas around. Not setting anything in stone. Always good to look at other options. Like I said earlier. I'll talk to sparhawk and see what he has to say and what ideas he has and let him know what has been and will be posted here. I'll make sure he clearly knows we aren't deciding anything yet.

 

[Sozo]

I don't think teaming up is a good strat. Should see how LS does at it first. Xaraca can be cleared with 24, hard to do but if done right you can. With invitees we are looking at 30+ which can easily clear. and give LS more chances at the AF.

 

[Sassafras]

2 things to note: Sparhawk's shell, "DeathNote," runs on different days and they also have an honor system with comment 2, win 1. The main difference on their runs is that the sponsor keeps all currency with crafting items free lot for all attending.

I'm neither for nor against teaming up. I will say that their group doesn't seem to have the coordination that ours does and wiped many times to Astral Flow in Sandy.

Perhaps it's best to wait a month or so to see how our runs pan our first.

As to Sozo's comment about having many people at our runs, so far we've barely come up with 24+ with invitees.

 

[Heie]

Thanks Sass. Glad to hear input about their group.

This comment concerns me.

their group doesn't seem to have the coordination that ours does and wiped many times to Astral Flow in Sandy.

While wipes happen and AF will get off every once in a while. Hearing many times conserns me. And if sandy is that much of a problem xarc doesn't look that promising even with doubling our numbers.

 

[Garret]

I do not think teaming up or doing parallel runs for cities is a good idea. As others had mentioned our numbers are just fine for that and assuming that stays consistent would likely be hurting ourselves more than anything.

Regarding teaming up for Xarcabard I think we should see how we are able to fair ourselves on DL first before making a final decision. However, assuming that teaming up meant 50+ people in Xarc that's about as easy prey a DL as you can ask for, and would ensure a very high clear rate, which means more shadow items, as well as an extra 100 bill each run. Although I'm sure we can clear with mid 30's it is not as definite a win, so would need to weigh more wins against more people.

In terms of possible rules idea with more people, one suggestion I have is given the potential number of people attending maybe allow only lotting 1 piece of AF2? With 50 people each commenting 2 AF2 that's A LOT of competition for specific pieces. Making people pick just one they really want will narrow the categories a lot more, even if Pld/Blm/Rdm/Thf will still be hotly contested, would at least not be 40 people lotting Blm & Rdm, but more like 20 lotting each. Much better odds.

Small manning Xarcabard certainly can work, but it is also a zone where a large volume of people is capable of doing a serious amount of damage and will clear significantly more mobs. Given the often atrocious drop rates there killing that many more mobs can lead to more drops.



Personally, I think teaming up for DL would be fun. From my experience running DX lower count Xarcabard was always more of a headache, even on successful runs. A large body count in Xarc always you to really steamroll through the zone by and large and eliminates a number of concerns you would otherwise have.



Edit: Regarding possible rules for shadow item lotting *IF* we teamed up, some suggestions would be to either have them be free lot to all participating or have each shell pick X amount of people from their LS that can lot. My concern with allowing particular jobs to lot them in a team up situation is that it's hard to determine what the job mix will be, i.e. if Nin/Pld only got to lot Shadow items and we had only 5 people with Nin/Pld & the other LS had 20 that would make for a big differential in which LS would win the most. Another idea would be on any given runLS gets to lot Shadow Mantle by their rules and the other LS gets to lot Shadow Ring by their rules and to decide which LS could lot which before the run. That way each LS could distribute the rarer items in a manner they saw fit without having to really compromise their own rules.

 

[Lexa]

I honestly hate the idea of teaming up with Sparhawks' dynamis.

In addition to having done so before and having it end badly, I also think we're doing very well so far on our own runs. I'd like to see what we're capable of before we start talking about how having more people could be useful for this and that. Not to mention, we've worked out a system that seems to work well for us so far, and from experience Sparhawk is not very willing to compromise to find a new system that everyone can agree on.

And finally, there's the question of competence in the other shell. I know firsthand a lot of them are very talented, well-geared players who can think on their feet - but I also know firsthand that some of them are not.

EDIT; To Sass' comment about wiping in Sandy - I should also point out their many, many wipes in dynamis-Xarca earlier this week. >.<

 

[Sojourn]

No need to rush into anything, just keeping options available it seems.

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[Manikalas]

If we team-up for xarcs, I would think the simplest thing would be to go with the rules of the sponsor's group and alternate sponsors between groups. Though I'm not crazy about the idea of teaming-up, especially since we have only done a whole 2 runs thus far, I can see how the extra bodies would be useful in xarc.

Also, it looks like their rules are fairly similar to our own, so even if we do use their rules on some of the runs, its not like we have to use a DH in an AL park.

 

[defiant]

No Thanks.

It means possible changes to the system and lag and being in a situation kind like DX again.

We also need to consider the Xarc AF situation. I think for a lot of our members the only things they still need from Dyna are Xarc AF in the form of RDM, BLM, THF, PLD...

Now i need to work on THF AF from Xarc too /sulk.