So, did anyone else noticed that name of 3rd boss in new Nier raid and name of his attacks are reference to Friedrich Engels (boss named Engels) and Karl Marx (attacks named Marx smash, etc)?
By himself Engels was already in Nier Automata, but he didn't have named moves there, so the reference was a little less on the nose.
Fun facts:
- "engel" is german for "angel"
- Engels as a robot is especially funny given he and Marx were the ones that created communist idea in the first place.
But references don't end there. 2nd boss, Hobbes, are quite interesting figure as well, even if he is not as famous as Engels and Marx.
Thomas Hobbes, the seventeenth century political philosopher, had some theories and ideas keenly similar to those of Plato. Hobbe's view of the state of nature was a very primitive one: he felt that in the state of nature there was a war of every person against every person. In the natural state justice was impossible, because without set limits and structures, everyone has the right to do whatever they wish and anarchy is almost inevitable.
The only way to escape the unfortunate state of anarchy was for everyone to agree a covenant. The conditions of the covenant were to give the sovereign full discretion in dealing with citizens. It was up to the sovereign to protect the lives of the citizens. Quite ironically, the sovereign also had the right to have citizen killed. Fortunately, the citizens did not give up their right to fight back and, indeed, were allowed (usually to no avail). As long as the sovereign was keeping the majority of the citizens alive and maintaining absolute power, the covenant could be considered successful and a civil society would have been created.
The covenant proposed in Leviathan was meant to keep the common good of peace. As long as people were not killing each other, the common good was being reached and the monarchy itself could be considered successful.
(quote from Ashutosh Sharma)
So in the game we literally forced to sacrifice ourself for a "greater good" of many. Or as Hobbes says in the beginning of the fight "Volunteers are detected and welcomed. Sacrifice for the greater good is logged and appreciated"
Of course, being a WoL and all around powerful entity we rise agains sovereign in a form of final boss and test and break that State apart...
Thanks for reading and please be advised to die faster.
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By himself Engels was already in Nier Automata, but he didn't have named moves there, so the reference was a little less on the nose.
Fun facts:
- "engel" is german for "angel"
- Engels as a robot is especially funny given he and Marx were the ones that created communist idea in the first place.
But references don't end there. 2nd boss, Hobbes, are quite interesting figure as well, even if he is not as famous as Engels and Marx.
Thomas Hobbes, the seventeenth century political philosopher, had some theories and ideas keenly similar to those of Plato. Hobbe's view of the state of nature was a very primitive one: he felt that in the state of nature there was a war of every person against every person. In the natural state justice was impossible, because without set limits and structures, everyone has the right to do whatever they wish and anarchy is almost inevitable.
The only way to escape the unfortunate state of anarchy was for everyone to agree a covenant. The conditions of the covenant were to give the sovereign full discretion in dealing with citizens. It was up to the sovereign to protect the lives of the citizens. Quite ironically, the sovereign also had the right to have citizen killed. Fortunately, the citizens did not give up their right to fight back and, indeed, were allowed (usually to no avail). As long as the sovereign was keeping the majority of the citizens alive and maintaining absolute power, the covenant could be considered successful and a civil society would have been created.
The covenant proposed in Leviathan was meant to keep the common good of peace. As long as people were not killing each other, the common good was being reached and the monarchy itself could be considered successful.
(quote from Ashutosh Sharma)
So in the game we literally forced to sacrifice ourself for a "greater good" of many. Or as Hobbes says in the beginning of the fight "Volunteers are detected and welcomed. Sacrifice for the greater good is logged and appreciated"
Of course, being a WoL and all around powerful entity we rise agains sovereign in a form of final boss and test and break that State apart...
Thanks for reading and please be advised to die faster.
submitted by /u/Golemming
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Continue reading...